What change will this looming reality bring to America?

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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:44 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Sir... welfare is relative to the situation at hand...have you ever collected unemployment...if S.S. is still around will you collect it...if all else fails in your health care...will you accept it from the govt. for yourself or loved ones? Evaluate these questions and give an honest straight forward answer!


Even the likes of Ron Paul has gone on record as stating that he will take Social Security, seeing that he has paid into it all his life. But I believe that in the long run that only exacerbates the situation. We should be permitted to opt out and choose instead private alternatives to such socialized programs as welfare and SS, and if given such an option I would opt out of most all government programs. Would you?


:bag: Dodging the questions I asked! :P :roll: Have you EVER accepted "ANYTHING" via a govt program?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:47 pm

Northern Maine wrote:Dodging the questions I asked! :P :roll: Have you EVER accepted "ANYTHING" via a govt program?


Yes, but I'm seriously much older and wiser now. My present views and opinions are not those of my youth. My 3 children are grown adults and I'm a Grandpa. What's your point here? Is it perhaps that past mistakes have bound me to indefinite servitude to a system that is becoming ever more socialistic and ever closer to fail as a direct result of this? Are you serious?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:56 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Dodging the questions I asked! :P :roll: Have you EVER accepted "ANYTHING" via a govt program?


Yes, but I'm seriously much older and wiser now. My present views and opinions are not those of my youth. My 3 children are grown adults and I'm a Grandpa.


AHHHH...now I see your point! Now put others in your position...both when you did accept and until you vision changed and tell me if that is wrong to look at the here and now!
I collected unemployment once for 6 weeks at $100 a week...I have not collected on anything else, but I would like to think that if "I fall on my face" that there is a safety net available that I have paid into! A pipe dream of mine would be that a privately run institution would be available to do that for me at a reasonable cost...but that is not the case and surely won't be anytime soon. I worry for my children as well, but, short of the govt. providing for them I can take care of them as I do now...but they surely will not sit on there ass and take advantage!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:01 pm

There are (or should be, as there used to be) many non-government safety nets available. Charity Hospitals, Salvation army type soup kitchens, families that used to rally to the aid of a member in need, friends, etc... When did the government get granted the authority to assume all of these rolls? Do you like that it did? Do you support that it did with all of your heart?

I ask you again, does past acceptance of a government handout indenture one to its homage and servitude forever after, despite the road that it travels, and if so, then how so? And beyond that, is the Constitution a legally binding contract upon all who have never signed it, and who were not even alive when it was signed? And if it is, by what right or power or authority is it so?

WARNING: If you are a government employee you may be jeopardizing your carrier with your answer(s), so think about it and answer (or refuse to do so) carefully.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:13 pm

lsayre wrote:There are (or should be, as there used to be) many non-government safety nets available. Charity Hospitals, Salvation army type soup kitchens, families that used to rally to the aid of a member in need, friends, etc... When did the government get granted the authority to assume all of these rolls? Do you like that it did? Do you support that it did with all of your heart?


I grew up on welfare from age 12-18. My mom worked two jobs for 3 dollars an hour and collected $100 monthly from the welfare program. My Dad did not pay a cent in child support...I worked every year after the divorce and contributed to our well being...Family helped out where they could....it SUCKED! I cost the system personally for 3 wisdom teeth being pulled and two in grown toenails being removed and thats it....Needless to say, I would not wish that lifestyle on anyone now or in the early 1980's! But had there not been a system in place to assist....we would have been screwed! I can honestly say that I'm pleased that the system was in place for your needs!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:18 pm

Northern Maine wrote:I can honestly say that I'm pleased that the system was in place for your needs!


That you are well pleased says nothing regarding where the authority for the government assuming these welfare rolls is derived from. it also says nothing regarding where the government will derive the revenues to sustain their welfare roll assumptions given that we are facing looming zero population growth.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:24 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:I can honestly say that I'm pleased that the system was in place for your needs!


That you are well pleased says nothing regarding where the authority for the government assuming these welfare rolls is derived from.


In a time of need I think the derived factor is "need" not want! Compassion for those in "need" is just that, compassion! Today i see a lot of "want"!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:26 pm

Northern Maine wrote:In a time of need I think the derived factor is "need" not want! Compassion for those in "need" is just that, compassion! Today i see a lot of "want"!


Compassion at the point of a gun (leveled at those forced to anti-up and fund it) is not compassion. Or is it?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:28 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:In a time of need I think the derived factor is "need" not want! Compassion for those in "need" is just that, compassion! Today i see a lot of "want"!


Compassion at the point of a gun (leveled at those forced to anti-up and fund it) is not compassion. Or is it?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:28 pm

Northern Maine wrote:Should we have to pay for our government to supply guns to drug dealers?

Your job may or may not be beneficial or cost effective but it does not represent government workers as a whole.

When Pope John XX111 was asked how many people worked in the Vatican, he answered, "about half of them"


SO...your cure is to cut out all govt run programs? Lets do that! It may solve our fiscal problem, but it opens up a whole new world of problems as well.[/quote]
No, not all of them, just the ones that do harm to our people like education and energy, plus a lot more.[/quote]

Please tell us specifically what programs harm our people and how?[/quote]
I think it is pretty obvious how well the housing program worked, it just about wrecked the economy.

How about student loans that inflate the cost of education just as government loan guarantees inflated the cost of housing. I think government creates harm in most things it does, not through vindictiveness, but through ignorance or in an effort to win votes. Why does it pay wages in excess of fair free market rates?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:29 pm

No, but it does give people an idea where NM comes from. Small family farms have been fighting this out of control welfare concept for generations. Now the people that sat on their butts & watched it all transpire seem to be the ones bitching the loudest. Derived from??? The people that lived very comfortably & didn't give a damn about anything but themselves. NOW, it's close to home & nobody wants to take responsibility as far as their roll in not doing anything about it. WE are the ones that perpetrated the whole can of crap.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:31 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:In a time of need I think the derived factor is "need" not want! Compassion for those in "need" is just that, compassion! Today i see a lot of "want"!


Compassion at the point of a gun (leveled at those forced to anti-up and fund it) is not compassion. Or is it?


When was the last time someone came to your door and pointed a gun at you and forced you to pay anything? To each his own I guess! Say it like it is, but don't lie about it or exaggerate you stance!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:35 pm

franco b wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Should we have to pay for our government to supply guns to drug dealers?

Your job may or may not be beneficial or cost effective but it does not represent government workers as a whole.

When Pope John XX111 was asked how many people worked in the Vatican, he answered, "about half of them"


SO...your cure is to cut out all govt run programs? Lets do that! It may solve our fiscal problem, but it opens up a whole new world of problems as well.

No, not all of them, just the ones that do harm to our people like education and energy, plus a lot more.[/quote]

Please tell us specifically what programs harm our people and how?[/quote]
I think it is pretty obvious how well the housing program worked, it just about wrecked the economy.

How about student loans that inflate the cost of education just as government loan guarantees inflated the cost of housing. I think government creates harm in most things it does, not through vindictiveness, but through ignorance or in an effort to win votes. Why does it pay wages in excess of fair free market rates?[/quote]

I joined the military and obtained the Gi bill...added to that I gained a $17000 student loan that I paid back in full! Also, Im in law enforcement at the federal level and on average I get paid less than my counterparts at the state, county and local levels....explain that!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:37 pm

Northern Maine wrote:When was the last time someone came to your door and pointed a gun at you and forced you to pay anything? To each his own I guess! Say it like it is, but don't lie about it or exaggerate you stance!


The government is doing it to me with each dollar that is withheld from my checks to their benefit. And I can assure you the governments guns will be unsheathed and directly pointed at me if I ever stop so paying into their system of forced servitude (err, compassion).
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:44 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:When was the last time someone came to your door and pointed a gun at you and forced you to pay anything? To each his own I guess! Say it like it is, but don't lie about it or exaggerate you stance!


The government is doing it to me with each dollar that is withheld from my checks to their benefit. And I can assure you the governments guns will be unsheathed and directly pointed at me if I ever stop so paying into their system of forced servitude.


:bag: Has a gun ever been pointed at you by the govt....BE HONEST....Explain how your assurances of the govt. doing so, will or is coming to fruition....If this happens to you in the next month...I will give you $$$ for your sorrow!
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