What change will this looming reality bring to America?

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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:48 pm

Northern Maine wrote:Has a gun ever been pointed at you by the govt....BE HONEST....Explain how your assurances of the govt. doing so, will or is coming to fruition....If this happens to you in the next month...I will give you $$$ for your sorrow!


I was being honest. And since I'm terrified of government guns, I pay my taxes and give tribute to my government faithfully like a good serf should.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:54 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Has a gun ever been pointed at you by the govt....BE HONEST....Explain how your assurances of the govt. doing so, will or is coming to fruition....If this happens to you in the next month...I will give you $$$ for your sorrow!


I was being honest. And since I'm terrified of government guns, I pay my taxes and give tribute to my government faithfully like a good serf should.


Keep living in the 1800's under serfdom...you are but a peasant as i am!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:58 pm

freetown fred wrote:No, but it does give people an idea where NM comes from. Small family farms have been fighting this out of control welfare concept for generations. Now the people that sat on their butts & watched it all transpire seem to be the ones bitching the loudest. Derived from??? The people that lived very comfortably & didn't give a damn about anything but themselves. NOW, it's close to home & nobody wants to take responsibility as far as their roll in not doing anything about it. WE are the ones that perpratated the whole can of crap.


WELL SAID! :D
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:41 pm

Northern Maine wrote:I joined the military and obtained the Gi bill...added to that I gained a $17000 student loan that I paid back in full! Also, Im in law enforcement at the federal level and on average I get paid less than my counterparts at the state, county and local levels....explain that!

I would explain it as government employees that are way overpaid. That's why many states and localities are going bankrupt.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:49 pm

Beat me to it franco. And the more welfare and such they hand out the more drinking and crime and such. the more law enforcement we need. Just like the war on drugs.

Kevin

And you got the wrong job on the border if you are not being compensated at least as well as the deputies in N. Maine.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Or could it be that Deputies in N Maine are getting pd more then they're worth & that would be local politics, not Federal. Don't come back with the dangers & risks involved--I grew up with a Father that was a Penna. Trooper back in the 40' 50's & way early 60's I first hand know all that.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:36 pm

natural selection
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:52 am

KLook wrote:Beat me to it franco. And the more welfare and such they hand out the more drinking and crime and such. the more law enforcement we need. Just like the war on drugs.

Kevin

And you got the wrong job on the border if you are not being compensated at least as well as the deputies in N. Maine.


Damn Kevin! Little bit of Davy Crockett coming out in ya "Rough and Tumble no holds barred!" :rofl: :notworthy:
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:00 am

This is an order from an old guy---take the day off CYBER wise my friend. You deserve it. :)
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:24 am

Damn Kevin! Little bit of Davy Crockett coming out in ya "Rough and Tumble no holds barred!" :rofl: :notworthy:


I have been tested and I have no empathy, sorry.
The border guys I have known all my life seem to be doing ok. Good jobs in rural Maine. I have run a chainsaw behind a cable skidder for $5.50 a cord. Cut 10 to 14 cord a day, out before daylight, home after dark, do the math, no benefits. While the union(paper mill)guys I played ball with were getting $18/hr. and sleeping through their shift because the had to much to drink the night before work. Full benefits. The disparity between unionized labor and the rest of rural Maine created my attitude towards unions. Not the people that get union jobs, just the system and what it does to them. They lose perspective. I could go on for many more sentences but I have done that before. :shock:
Celebrate your good job, don't lose perspective about how things have been and could be again in rural Maine. I think you said you grew up poor, so you probably won't forget. ;)


Kevin

I am a glass is half empty guy because of my life experience, but implore other people to be the opposite when they have good jobs and can't see or forget how much tougher it could be.
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:39 am

Trust me...I appreciate the job that I have...when my co-workers complain...I remind them that they could be working in a potatoe house for minimum wage, no benefits and laid off half the year! ;) However, that does not mean I support labor laws being broken by my epmloyer...and expalins my choice to be a union member!
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:53 am

However, that does not mean I support labor laws being broken by my epmloyer.


I would say you had no choice but to be a member. That was the way of it for the DOT when I worked on bridge maintenance. How much can your employer break labor laws in your job. To many shifts? To long? Most labor laws spoke to bad conditions, hours worked, overtime pay, children working, firing for not complying with illegal or dangerous orders. etc. As with anything else, I would bet the labor laws have become onerous regulations that have forced our jobs overseas. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

Kevin
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:00 pm

KLook wrote:
However, that does not mean I support labor laws being broken by my epmloyer.


I would say you had no choice but to be a member. That was the way of it for the DOT when I worked on bridge maintenance. How much can your employer break labor laws in your job. To many shifts? To long? Most labor laws spoke to bad conditions, hours worked, overtime pay, children working, firing for not complying with illegal or dangerous orders. etc. As with anything else, I would bet the labor laws have become onerous regulations that have forced our jobs overseas. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

Kevin


We dont have to be a member, but getting screwed with because "they can" was getting old...5 USC 6101is the labor law most commonly broken in my job....very severely in the Northeast in particular. :mad:
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:27 pm

This is all getting way off topic. The question being asked in this thread is not whether government programs are good, or good intentioned, or necessary, or compassionate, or which government workers are important and why and to what degree, or why do workers in one government job get paid more than another, etc...

The question being asked here is simply: What will become of any and all socialized welfare related programs or government programs or government funded positions when they can no longer be afforded, particularly since they are all ponzi or parasite based (with parasite acknowledged to be good or bad, and with this being irrelevant) in their funding, and thereby they all require an ever expanding base of host feeders (I.E., taxpayers), when data shows that the host base (the upcoming taxpayer population) will soon flatten out and then go into decline?
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Re: What change will this looming reality bring to America?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:29 pm

Prioritize and cut! Simple!
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