Walmart to leave its employees healthcare up to the ...

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PostBy: jpete On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:01 pm

KLook wrote:
and then they moved to Mexico.


And a bunch here wish they took you with them!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :arrow:

Kevin


That's true. I might have gone but I'm short on AK's and body armor. :D
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PostBy: KLook On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:06 pm

but I'm short on AK's and body armor. :D


No problem, Eric Holder could have hooked you up quick. ;)

Kevin
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Re: Walmart to leave its employees healthcare up to the ...

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:07 pm

KLook wrote:
but I'm short on AK's and body armor. :D


No problem, Eric Holder could have hooked you up quick. ;)

Kevin


I voted for the wrong team! :D
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Re: Walmart to leave its employees healthcare up to the ...

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:27 pm

Rwalker wrote:I have a friend who is a manager at Wal-mart. His insurance already sucks. He is the only one covered, his wife and 4 kids are not. If he wanted them to be covered, he would need to pay an additional $800 a month. So, Wal-mart helps us all out with their great prices, but then forces their employees to go on assitance and jacks up our taxes.

Tough to gross billions and not take care of your people. :roll: And they are not allowed to unionize either...


If Wal Mart were to "do the right thing" and give all their employees health insurance the cost of their product goes up and some other company would seize on that. Wal Mart goes out business because they can can't compete and all these workers end up working at this new company in the same boat they were before. That's business whether you like it or not. Because of this law you're going to see less full time jobs.
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PostBy: KLook On: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:53 pm

If Wal Mart were to "do the right thing" and give all their employees health insurance the cost of their product goes up and some other company would seize on that. Wal Mart goes out business because they can can't compete and all these workers end up working at this new company in the same boat they were before. That's business whether you like it or not. Because of this law you're going to see less full time jobs.


But the dream is everyone has to be in a union, then there is no where to go. Pure socialism once again. When the state owns all business and all workers are paid the same low wage and have free healthcare and schooling, only for those that show aptitude. The rest dig ditches and stand in bread lines. That is when we pretend to work because they pretend to pay us. Unions are the ruination of society because they resort to extortion and teach their members they are never compensated enough. Work slow downs and strikes on private property to hurt the business that supports them.
I had a big blow out with a cousin that is the head of the teachers union in Michigan. Yes I told her that public sector unions are the worst kind of extortion and why. She just couldn't see it and insisted that all educators are under payed and under insured and have poor retirement packages. This is because she grew up in the shadow of Detroit in a suburb filled with autoplant workers that made crazy money because of the union. And we know how that worked out. She refused to admit that having politicians barter with large blocks of voters with taxpayers money was corruption at its finest. Just like someone we all know in here. Her final shot was that it wasn't her concern about what it cost the taxpayer, just get more money for her people because educators are vastly underpaid. Tax the rich came out also. I told her to remember the story of the organs fighting over which was most important, until the rectum shut down. Well the rectum is in power right now and he is shutting us down with spending, entitlements, and EO's. Get some exlax boys, your gonna need it.

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Re: Walmart to leave its employees healthcare up to the ...

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:35 am

Kevin,

You are free to take a Civil Service test, pass it, go to the academy, and walk inside the razor wire fence with 2500 of the states finest rapists, murders, and molestors. Then you too can have union and good health insurance and retirement at 50. I dont see many lining up, and we are constantly hiring with a huge turn over rate. Some dont even make it a week.

Dont piss and moan about people having union jobs with good insurance because you either cant, wont, or dont want too. I will gladly state the taxpayers pay my salary. Joe Taxpayer has the same opportunity to work the same job I do. Maybe not exact position as what I do requires college, but anyone with a high school diploma and some military can make bg bucks. If the tax payers dont like it, let them come inside and handle the 50,000 citizens we have confined for YOUR safety. Tax payers don't like our State Police making $57,000 right out of the academy either...but they dont seem to complain when they need them.

For what it is worth, I have never used the union for *censored*. And I vote Republican. But I also know my job wont be shipped to Mexixo and as long as people continue to break the law, I will have a job.
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PostBy: jpete On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:47 am

The question is, will Joe Taxpayer be able to foot the bill for you no matter what you ask for?

Can you ask for $80k? $100k? $150k?

When we have nearly 25% real unemployment, will the state be able to afford to keep you?

Maybe your job can't be shipped to Mexico, but it can certainly be privatized. I'm not far from a for profit prison housing Federal prisoners.

And not that I'm holding my breath, but we could certainly reform the legal system and cut that 50k prisoners down to 25k and then we only need half as many CO's. Then what?
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PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:50 am

KEVIN and JEFF you both are sooooooooooooooooo right, :clap:
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PostBy: sterling40man On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:25 am

Rwalker wrote:but they dont seem to complain when they need them.


Everyone hates a cop until they need one.
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PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:55 am

jpete wrote:The question is, will Joe Taxpayer be able to foot the bill for you no matter what you ask for?

Can you ask for $80k? $100k? $150k?

When we have nearly 25% real unemployment, will the state be able to afford to keep you?

Maybe your job can't be shipped to Mexico, but it can certainly be privatized. I'm not far from a for profit prison housing Federal prisoners.

And not that I'm holding my breath, but we could certainly reform the legal system and cut that 50k prisoners down to 25k and then we only need half as many CO's. Then what?


2 differences here. #1- I am not a CO. #2- We dont "demand" salaries. We have a salary scale, and when need be that scale is frozen. I worked management for 4 years inside and didnt get a single raise in pay while everyone that I managed continued to make more money. So, I made the smart move and went to a different department and went back to union. In a few weeks I will test for another management job, this one better then before. I am all about taking care of MY family, so I do what I need to do, and bust my ass, to make a better life for my kids. And like I said, ANYONE without a criminal record can get the same jobs.

They have talked of privatizing us. It fell through. Those private prisons seem to have their fair share of problems and things get bad pretty quick. However, the 1 private fed prison close to me pays more per hour then the state prisons do, and you have the option of making $3 more an hour, or getting insurance. That wouldnt be so bad either. As a matter of fact, when I retire I might just head over there and get a job. Get my state pension AND work there and take the money since I will already have the benefits.

We are opening a new prison in 2013 and have broke ground on another one. I dont see them closing them anytime soon if they are building MORE. I have about 10 years to go before I can walk away, and I am not worried about any of those things you mentioned happening in the next 10 years.

OR....we can just open the doors and let em' all out.

I didn't take this job for the union. I took it because I was offered it fresh out of school and it was a great opportunity that not a single person on this forum would turn down. NOT ONE. I have sat and watched people come and go because they couldn't handle the stress, because they got knocked the f*ck out, or because they just realized being out numbered 20-1 by bloods, crips, latin kings, skin heads, etc. was not a working environment they wanted to be around. Joe Taxpayer, which by the way includes ME as they take $400 a check from me, is free to come in and do my job whenever they feel up to it.

What happens if one day suddenly criminals start being good, productive citizens and we dont need state, county, and federal prisons or police officers??? Well, I guess then I will just get another job. With my skill set I will be ok. I have been offered employment in other areas such as Public Welfare, Parole, Conservation, etc. and turned them down. Worst come to worst and I am unemployed, we will be ok then as well. I not one of those that lives pay check to pay check. We could handle it for a few years, or head north and live off the land on my property.

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PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:06 am

Rwalker wrote:
jpete wrote:The question is, will Joe Taxpayer be able to foot the bill for you no matter what you ask for?

Can you ask for $80k? $100k? $150k?

When we have nearly 25% real unemployment, will the state be able to afford to keep you?

Maybe your job can't be shipped to Mexico, but it can certainly be privatized. I'm not far from a for profit prison housing Federal prisoners.

And not that I'm holding my breath, but we could certainly reform the legal system and cut that 50k prisoners down to 25k and then we only need half as many CO's. Then what?


2 differences here. #1- I am not a CO. #2- We dont "demand" salaries. We have a salary scale, and when need be that scale is frozen. I worked management for 4 years inside and didnt get a single raise in pay while everyone that I managed continued to make more money. So, I made the smart move and went to a different department and went back to union. In a few weeks I will test for another management job, this one better then before. I am all about taking care of MY family, so I do what I need to do, and bust my ass, to make a better life for my kids. And like I said, ANYONE without a criminal record can get the same jobs.

They have talked of privatizing us. It fell through. Those private prisons seem to have their fair share of problems and things get bad pretty quick. However, the 1 private fed prison close to me pays more per hour then the state prisons do, and you have the option of making $3 more an hour, or getting insurance. That wouldnt be so bad either. As a matter of fact, when I retire I might just head over there and get a job. Get my state pension AND work there and take the money since I will already have the benefits.

We are opening a new prison in 2013 and have broke ground on another one. I dont see them closing them anytime soon if they are building MORE. I have about 10 years to go before I can walk away, and I am not worried about any of those things you mentioned happening in the next 10 years.

OR....we can just open the doors and let em' all out.

I didn't take this job for the union. I took it because I was offered it fresh out of school and it was a great opportunity that not a single person on this forum would turn down. NOT ONE. I have sat and watched people come and go because they couldn't handle the stress, because they got knocked the f*ck out, or because they just realized being out numbered 20-1 by bloods, crips, latin kings, skin heads, etc. was not a working environment they wanted to be around. Joe Taxpayer, which by the way includes ME as they take $400 a check from me, is free to come in and do my job whenever they feel up to it.

What happens if one day suddenly criminals start being good, productive citizens and we dont need state, county, and federal prisons or police officers??? Well, I guess then I will just get another job. With my skill set I will be ok. I have been offered employment in other areas such as Public Welfare, Parole, Conservation, etc. and turned them down. Worst come to worst and I am unemployed, we will be ok then as well. I not one of those that lives pay check to pay check. We could handle it for a few years, or head north and live off the land on my property.

Opportunities don't find you, you find them.


WELL SAID! ;)
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PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:34 am

I often wonder if tomorrow one of your sons signed a 100 million dollar contract to throw a football in the NFL, if you would piss and moan that they were making too much money, or you would be estatic? The fans pay that salary with their hard earned money, much like taxes...
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PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:39 am

Rwalker wrote:The fans pay that salary with their hard earned money, much like taxes...


Does that mean the fans are forced to pay the salaries of professional football players? :?:
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PostBy: KLook On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:40 am


Re: Walmart to leave its employees healthcare up to the ...

New postBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:35 am
Kevin,

You are free to take a Civil Service test, pass it, go to the academy, and walk inside the razor wire fence with 2500 of the states finest rapists, murders, and molestors. Then you too can have union and good health insurance and retirement at 50. I dont see many lining up, and we are constantly hiring with a huge turn over rate. Some dont even make it a week.

Dont piss and moan about people having union jobs with good insurance because you either cant, wont, or dont want too. I will gladly state the taxpayers pay my salary. Joe Taxpayer has the same opportunity to work the same job I do. Maybe not exact position as what I do requires college, but anyone with a high school diploma and some military can make bg bucks. If the tax payers dont like it, let them come inside and handle the 50,000 citizens we have confined for YOUR safety. Tax payers don't like our State Police making $57,000 right out of the academy either...but they dont seem to complain when they need them.

For what it is worth, I have never used the union for *censored*. And I vote Republican. But I also know my job wont be shipped to Mexixo and as long as people continue to break the law, I will have a job.


not a single person on this forum would turn down. NOT ONE.


No problem, went through it for local state prison. I had worked for the state in another capacity and left because of the unions power and the fact that we did not get things done. I like to work. Turned down a job offer to be a guard. It takes a certain personality to be a guard, and I like working with my hands and doing physical things. I commend you for voting Rep. and don't envy your job at all. My friends did take those jobs and it can be tough.

I will further say jpete is also correct.

Everyone hates a cop until they need one.


I hate a cop when I need one, and they are never around when you need one. I called the sate police to report a young man shooting a gun towards my house and 6.5 hrs later one showed up. I called the police to report a really shacked out dude standing in the middle of my lane just down the street from my house after dark. (He was lucky) And they never called back! I have been of the theory for quite some time that I have to take care of myself. Many cops are not competent. Just because they got through some basic training means nothing. I have a pile of personal experience with low level cops and I have never been arrested, because every time I was right and they were just pulling Barney Fife on me. As I have said before, most of them at that level are the guys that used to get wedgies in high school so they became cops to get even. And it is an exciting, stable, fair pay with benefits type job.

Rwalker, No one attacked you personally. There are good people in unions, and there is then the other kind. Most of us that have seen unions operate would say that you can't fire a bad one because of a union. We have had this discussion before also. Don't take it personally, I do appreciate what you put up with and yes someone needs to do it. Congrats for being able to handle it and manage as well. But realize what jpete says about can we afford it. Once again everyone wants to be on top financially because they "deserve" it or think their job is more important, or they are under appreciated. When your union holds the public hostage for better benefits, who is going to suffer to pay it?
Again, not attacking you personally.

With respect,

Kevin
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PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:52 am

KLook wrote:
and then they moved to Mexico.


And a bunch here wish they took you with them!!

Kevin


You can't help yourself can you! :rofl: :doh:
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