Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:59 pm

Looks like one of those things that got the OK in 06 to be phased in by 2013, just a sneaky way of doing things so most forget about it.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:11 pm

Looks like one of those things that got the OK in 06 to be phased in by 2013, just a sneaky way of doing things so most forget about


Who's paying attention when jobs are going away, housing is deflating like a hot air balloon, and the country is divided and fighting?

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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:18 pm

Each law is like a fence panel, we are like sheep, lawmakers are like a farmer building fence around sheep.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:27 pm

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:These type of systems have been installed on tractor trailer trucks for some time now...If a fatal accident occurs, the information is downloaded to see what factors were involved.


Touche! Good intentions are not the point. The point is that things like this don't happen in the land of the free (unless the owner of the truck is in the drivers seat with respect to the desire to have a black box). Apparently we are so far removed from freedom that we haven't got a clue as to what freedom actually is.


So...a truck driver causes a fatal accident that kills an entire family...his "false log" book shows that he has only been driving hours according to law....however, information collected shows that the truck has been running 6 hours past the legal driving time....the driver infringed on the family's freedom by killing them....but that's OK?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:31 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:These type of systems have been installed on tractor trailer trucks for some time now...If a fatal accident occurs, the information is downloaded to see what factors were involved.


Touche! Good intentions are not the point. The point is that things like this don't happen in the land of the free (unless the owner of the truck is in the drivers seat with respect to the desire to have a black box). Apparently we are so far removed from freedom that we haven't got a clue as to what freedom actually is.


So...a truck driver causes a fatal accident that kills an entire family...his "false log" book shows that he has only been driving hours according to law....however, information collected shows that the truck has been running 6 hours past the legal driving time....the driver infringed on the family's freedom by killing them....but that's OK?


So we have to violate EVERYONE'S rights because of the occasional occurrence of a crime?

You'd have fit in well in Vietnam. "We have to destroy the village in order to save it." :D
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:35 pm

So we have to violate EVERYONE'S rights because of the occasional occurrence of a crime?

You'd have fit in well in Vietnam. "We have to destroy the village in order to save it." :D[/quote]

Apparently you don't support seatbelt laws, helmet laws, mandatory vaccinations, etc.....people only get killed occasional with out them! :roll: The rhetoric you present in SOME arguments is not rational...but that is only my interpretation! :P
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:41 pm

Northern Maine wrote:Apparently you don't support seatbelt laws, helmet laws, mandatory vaccinations, etc.....people only get killed occasional with out them! :roll: The rhetoric you present in SOME arguments is not rational...but that is only my interpretation! :P


Why would I support a law that limits an individuals right to live life as they see fit especially when they are doing no harm to me whatsoever?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:47 pm

jpete wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Apparently you don't support seatbelt laws, helmet laws, mandatory vaccinations, etc.....people only get killed occasional with out them! :roll: The rhetoric you present in SOME arguments is not rational...but that is only my interpretation! :P


Why would I support a law that limits an individuals right to live life as they see fit especially when they are doing no harm to me whatsoever?


Ok you see no benefit in any laws?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:47 pm

jpete wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Apparently you don't support seatbelt laws, helmet laws, mandatory vaccinations, etc.....people only get killed occasional with out them! :roll: The rhetoric you present in SOME arguments is not rational...but that is only my interpretation! :P


Why would I support a law that limits an individuals right to live life as they see fit especially when they are doing no harm to me whatsoever?


Ok you see no benefit in any laws?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:50 pm

You'd have fit in well in Vietnam. "We have to destroy the village in order to save it." :D[/quote]

Attacking my military record based on you broad knowledge of the military is less than "American". You assume a lot and you know what that means! :roll:
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:50 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
Ok you see no benefit in any laws?


My view of laws boils down to my signature below. Everything else is BS.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:51 pm

Northern Maine wrote:You'd have fit in well in Vietnam. "We have to destroy the village in order to save it." :D


Attacking my military record based on you broad knowledge of the military is less than "American". You assume a lot and you know what that means! :roll:[/quote]

I wasn't aware that you had a military background. You assume I was assuming something I wasn't. :)
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:02 pm

jpete wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:You'd have fit in well in Vietnam. "We have to destroy the village in order to save it." :D


Attacking my military record based on you broad knowledge of the military is less than "American". You assume a lot and you know what that means! :roll:


I wasn't aware that you had a military background. You assume I was assuming something I wasn't. :)[/quote]

Yes...I was in the military...to defend our freedoms, right, etc. I may not have supported the wars during my time served...but I knew that when I took an oath to defend our country. ;)
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:14 pm

I wish you'd have paid more attention to the "domestic" verbiage. ;)
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:19 pm

jpete wrote:I wish you'd have paid more attention to the "domestic" verbiage. ;)


I probably should have! :oops: ;)
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