Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Actually NM, GOD decides what's right and what's wrong. NO MAN decides that for me.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:10 pm

And who is it that plays into all that Larry? Outstanding post SMITTY
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:10 pm

SMITTY wrote:Actually NM, GOD decides what's right and what's wrong. NO MAN decides that for me.


I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE! But god gives us choices and if we make the wrong ones...we shall be judged...by GOD only...unfortunately many do not heed this!
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:12 pm

Northern Maine wrote:If a person is not breaking the law what does it matter!


Ah....the bleating of the sheep. I could listen to it all day! :D
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:13 pm

SMITTY wrote:The problem with this eavesdropping is this:

YOU don't get to decide what is right, and what is wrong - THE GOVERNMENT decides that. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: If you look at history, can you honestly tell me this is a GOOD idea???

That, my friends, should chill ANY American to the bone, regardless of political persuasion.



Thats dam strait !! People are already in jail because they posted there OPINION on line and the Gov didn't like it. However they broke no laws, your papers please, coming to a town near you soon. GOOGLE IT..
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:17 pm

homecomfort wrote:not too much before the "Patriot Act." thanks George B.


You're going to have to set the Wayback Machine a little further.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29

Carnivore was a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that was designed to monitor email and electronic communications. It used a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. Carnivore was implemented in October 1997. By 2005 it had been replaced with improved commercial software such as NarusInsight.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:20 pm

grumpy wrote:
SMITTY wrote:The problem with this eavesdropping is this:

YOU don't get to decide what is right, and what is wrong - THE GOVERNMENT decides that. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: If you look at history, can you honestly tell me this is a GOOD idea???

That, my friends, should chill ANY American to the bone, regardless of political persuasion.



Thats dam strait !! People are already in jail because they posted there OPINION on line and the Gov didn't like it. However they broke no laws, your papers please, coming to a town near you soon. GOOGLE IT..


So...it's okay for someone to say they would like to kill a POTUS (or any person for that matter) with an explanation on how they would like to do so and not get LOOKED at and plausibly get thrown in jail!
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:28 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
So...it's okay for someone to say they would like to kill a POTUS (or any person for that matter) with an explanation on how they would like to do so and not get LOOKED at and plausibly get thrown in jail!


So we should all accept an invasion of privacy because one individual is a nut?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:31 pm

jpete wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:
So...it's okay for someone to say they would like to kill a POTUS (or any person for that matter) with an explanation on how they would like to do so and not get LOOKED at and plausibly get thrown in jail!


So we should all accept an invasion of privacy because one individual is a nut?


AHHH...Finally...I knew you would chime in eventually! :rofl: I think there have been many individual nuts that raised the bar high enough for concern to go to the extreme that has been discussed here!
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Northern Maine wrote:Reality IS what an individual makes it! We are by far from NAZI Germany! Keep telling yourself that we are and you will become delusional if you already not! Be thankful for what you have and stop the minuscule complaining about how bad things are!


I wonder if the people who voted for Hitler asked themselves "what's the worst that could happen" before they put an X next to his name?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Northern Maine wrote:So...it's okay for someone to say they would like to kill a POTUS (or any person for that matter) with an explanation on how they would like to do so and not get LOOKED at and plausibly get thrown in jail!


Absolutely not! The introduction of such a suggestion itself in response to this thread is highly out of line. But it must be considered moral to defend ones self and ones rational self interests (family, home, property, friends, etc...). And ones self(ish) interests such as those I just listed can be offended in more ways than just through brute force. Such as via spying on ones personal conversations for instance.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:33 pm

One individual is a nut??? :bang: toothy You need to put down some of those books & get out more. :(
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:34 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
AHHH...Finally...I knew you would chime in eventually! :rofl: I think there have been many individual nuts that raised the bar high enough for concern to go to the extreme that has been discussed here!


Some of us have a life. ;)

OK. So you don't mind having all your communications recorded by the government.

Let's take it a step further. Some criminals have GPS monitoring bracelets. It would be helpful in stopping crime if we ALL had them.

Are you on board for that as well? I mean, as long as you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the big deal?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:36 pm

freetown fred wrote:One individual is a nut??? :bang: toothy You need to put down some of those books & get out more. :(


One person in the example provided. How many presidents have been assassinated? Three?

So you're saying that 330 million people should willingly give up their rights because of the actions of THREE people?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:37 pm

Such a decent discussion before the fanaticism--bound to happen I suppose :(
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