Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:23 pm

freetown fred wrote:No, most fanaticism is based on negative projection. If it were to come to that, I guess our local Justice's would be busy people and we would see where the law of the land exactly lies. If it couldn't be dealt with local, I guess we'd go where ever we needed to, to get it settled.


The law lies with the people with the bigger guns.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:24 pm

i hate to tell ya this, but that's bullshit in a situation like what's being discussed right here.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:26 pm

freetown fred wrote:i hate to tell ya this, but that's bullshit in a situation like what's being discussed right here.


You think so?

If the law says your kid MUST attend 180 days of school and you decide you don't like the tracking chip so you pull them out.

What do you do when the truant officer and Child Protective Services show up on your door step?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:31 pm

If you'd of read my 2 posts back, I thought I explained that.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:38 pm

freetown fred wrote:If you'd of read my 2 posts back, I thought I explained that.


So you are saying you'd put your kids back into a situation that you didn't agree with while the court decided who was right and who was wrong?

Is that "doing what you have to"?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:43 pm

You just create words that suit whatever silliness your stuck on at the time. Nowhere did I say that & you're a fool for even thinking it. Back to the old flopping ones gums together just for the sake of doing it. Seee ya
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:50 pm

freetown fred wrote:You just create words that suit whatever silliness your stuck on at the time. Nowhere did I say that & you're a fool for even thinking it. Back to the old flopping ones gums together just for the sake of doing it. Seee ya


Since you have a knack of never directly answering a question, I have to infer what you mean in that squirrelly brain of yours.

What exactly did you mean when you said;

No, most fanaticism is based on negative projection. If it were to come to that, I guess our local Justice's would be busy people and we would see where the law of the land exactly lies. If it couldn't be dealt with local, I guess we'd go where ever we needed to, to get it settled.


Where are your kids when you are going where ever we needed to go?
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:44 am

lsayre wrote:
jpete wrote:OK. So you don't mind having all your communications recorded by the government.

Let's take it a step further. Some criminals have GPS monitoring bracelets. It would be helpful in stopping crime if we ALL had them.


Some day we will, and most will openly welcome it. The V-Chip comes to mind here.

It's not fanaticism, but rather it's just a logical progression from point A (where we are now) to point B (where we will be if we continue down this path).


Sounds like you already drank the kool-aid, why not take it to the next level? :rofl: The vchip is the mark of the beast the anti-christ...utilize your religious rights in order to stem it! :idea:
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:58 am

Northern Maine wrote:Sounds like you already drank the kool-aid, why not take it to the next level? :rofl: The vchip is the mark of the beast the anti-christ...utilize your religious rights in order to stem it! :idea:


Sounds like you are trolling this morning.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:06 am

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Some day we will, and most will openly welcome it. The V-Chip comes to mind here.

It's not fanaticism, but rather it's just a logical progression from point A (where we are now) to point B (where we will be if we continue down this path).


Sounds like you already drank the kool-aid, why not take it to the next level? :rofl: The vchip is the mark of the beast the anti-christ...utilize your religious rights in order to stem it! :idea:


Sounds like you are trolling this morning.[/quote]

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help. Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.

Signs that your trolling is unsuccesful:
*Your victim identifying you as a troll.
*Identifying yourself as a troll.
*Your efforts being ignored.
*Being counter-trolled (See below)

Counter-trolling (Or reverse trolling) is an effective method of redeeming yourself after being trolled. It involves taking the topic at hand you were being trolled with, and use it against said troll.

I don;t fit this bill in my opinion...however I do find some others may! :roll:
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:16 am

You are blatantly and openly taunting me to take it to a higher level (including perhaps to the level of accepting a V-Chip, lest why would you insert that here), and you are not openly trolling? No way! Don't flatter yourself and hide behind trite 'canned' slogans of reverse trolling.

As for me, I adhere to the Libertarian non-aggression principle. Things like invasive communication eavesdropping violate the principle of non-aggression, as would a v-chip.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:25 am

My issue with this, is that if you look at society today we are pulling away the triplicate powers that are supposed to be self-governing.

Executive
Legislative
Judicial

The Executive branch is fighting with the Legislative, which is not new and not likely to change any time soon, but look closer at the Judicial Branch. Suddenly they are making broad based decisions that deeply impact this country. They were the deciding factor in George Bush being elected. They were the ones that allowed through an absurd ruling that a miniscule ICC interstate Commercing Clause could be used on Health care to impose a tax on individuals who elect not to have coverage. They are also imposing some strange decisions on religion and freedom of speech...not to mention the TSA thumbing their nose at Congress which is a Judicial entity in essence.

I realize this texting issue is at the very bottom of the pile, BUT it is on the Judicial side of things, and it is scary that we, as Americans, are slowly losing our control as citizens through the decision making of the Judicial branch. I dislike our President and did not vote for him, BUT what is scary to me is that he understands his work-around Congress, and his ultimate power, comes from the Supreme Court. What I see is an out of control Supreme Court right now and the last thing we should be doing, is giving up our rights to Free Speech to this area of government as soon it will filter upwards and be at their bidding.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:27 am

lsayre wrote:You are blatantly and openly taunting me to take it to a higher level (including perhaps to the level of accepting a V-Chip, lest why would you insert that here), and you are not openly trolling? No way! Don't flatter yourself and hide behind trite 'canned' slogans of reverse trolling.

As for me, I adhere to the Libertarian non-aggression principle. Things like invasive communication eavesdropping violate the principle of non-aggression, as would a v-chip.


I have not deceived you or convinced you into accepting a V-chip, so it can't be trolling! And vice versa! Rights always come along with responsibilities, and it’s the latter part of that truism that libertarians generally forget.
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:30 am

NoSmoke wrote:My issue with this, is that if you look at society today we are pulling away the triplicate powers that are supposed to be self-governing.

Executive
Legislative
Judicial

The Executive branch is fighting with the Legislative, which is not new and not likely to change any time soon, but look closer at the Judicial Branch. Suddenly they are making broad based decisions that deeply impact this country. They were the deciding factor in George Bush being elected. They were the ones that allowed through an absurd ruling that a miniscule ICC interstate Commercing Clause could be used on Health care to impose a tax on individuals who elect not to have coverage. They are also imposing some strange decisions on religion and freedom of speech...not to mention the TSA thumbing their nose at Congress which is a Judicial entity in essence.

I realize this texting issue is at the very bottom of the pile, BUT it is on the Judicial side of things, and it is scary that we, as Americans, are slowly losing our control as citizens through the decision making of the Judicial branch. I dislike our President and did not vote for him, BUT what is scary to me is that he understands his work-around Congress, and his ultimate power, comes from the Supreme Court. What I see is an out of control Supreme Court right now and the last thing we should be doing, is giving up our rights to Free Speech to this area of government as soon it will filter upwards and be at their bidding.


Well said! :)
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Re: Things like this don't happen in the land of the free, ...

PostBy: Rwalker On: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:44 am

I don't have much time this morning, but I will post this: http://www.pacyber.org/

We have an option here at least....
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