One for the liberals

Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:26 pm

SteveZee wrote:
Your description of life in the south is quite rosy though and while that may have been your experience, the reality of "In the South Black and White people grow up together, worship the same way, eat the same food, visit each other in their homes and as a general rule have gotten along fairly decently" is from the your white point of view and if it is that way at all, it has only been that way for no more than 30 years at best. Before the late 60's I would venture to say it was quite different. You may have lived in the same city but things were very segregated. You did not eat together in restaurants nor use the same drinking fountains. You worshiped maybe the same way but in different Churches. You may have shared a bus but ask Rosa Parks? This way of life down south in particular was the very reason for the civil rights movement.

I grew up in a small all white town in NJ. As a kid the only blacks I saw was on TV's American Bandstand. High school and college wasn't much different, yes there were more blacks but they were a small fraction of the school population. When I graduated college I took a job (1963) south of the Mason Dixon line. That was the first time I saw "colored cabins". I had to ask a Maryland native what they were. It was quite a cultural shock to me. At work one early experience has stood with me all my life. In the electronics design process the early stages of a prototype is called a "breadboard". It's just kluged together by the design engineer. The next step is a experimental prototype, a bit more refined and better built. In my company it was done by a central facilities shop that served all the company. One day in my engineering design group a new prototype was delivered by the central facilities senior technician that built it. Silas, was his name and you can guess his race. Good looking prototype obviously built with pride. When the senior engineer, an older "Southern" gentleman came in the lab he was in a rage. In front of Silas and I, he took a broom handle and swept the prototype in the trash can. In a loud voice said "I don't touch anything built by a N--ger". I was stunned, shell shocked, embarrassed and didn't know what to do. Silas just left quietly. Realize I was an new college graduate hire, and the senior engineer was many years older than I. Others came into the lab and calmed the senior engineer down. The incident was my first experience with any racial confrontation. After not seeing the senior engineer around for a few days, I learned he had retired. Apparently the company's way getting rid of a bigot. As the years passed and I needed central facilities services, I always asked if Silas was available to do my work. We became friends, not close buddy, buddy but good friends. We never talked about the incident, but we both knew what brought us together. Silas did a great job on anything he built for me and I was his go to engineer when he needed help.

Just my experience in the mid 1960's.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:35 pm

It was alive and well when I went into the oil fields of SW Texas in 1980.

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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:54 pm

I think what William was describing was the effects of race baiting by so called black leaders and a cooperative media. I can find things to like about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson but better race relations is not one of them.

Race and ethnicity will always be with us and as Steve pointed out most went through a period of discrimination. What would have been unthinkable not that many years ago has happened. A black President has been elected. His continuing rhetoric in class warfare has made the situation worse instead of better.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: wsherrick On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
wsherrick wrote:How convenient. This has just come out. Accept your guilt white boy. A guilt you can never be rid of or pay for. Ever. You can not do enough, patronize enough, die enough to pay. It's time for the truly superior race to make you pay with our endless victim hood and anger. Feel bad now, well you should.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/10/CNN-black-in-america-team-lightskinned


Pragmatically speaking you could definateley be construed as a lunatic :!:


Did you listen to the poem by those girls? So I'm crazy by pointing out what you have never been self aware of. Yes, down inside you have a sense of guilt. It has been programmed into you all your life. Again you refuse to see it, or be honest about it. You know nothing of how Blacks think about it and refuse to want to understand. So the typical reaction, "I'm Racist and Crazy." A lifetime of close association and relation to Blacks means nothing, a lifetime of being directly affected by this issue means nothing. A lifetime of thinking about and observing this issue means nothing. You are the expert. Fine you can't teach one who refuses to be taught.

You clinging to your naive and uninformed view without any self examination renders you dishonest and crazy. Refusal to see reality is a form of insanity. And no, you haven't worked in a public venue as a waiter to keep a roof over your head just like carving the turkey at for your family's Thanksgiving Dinner makes you a Chef.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:01 pm

wsherrick wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:
wsherrick wrote:How convenient. This has just come out. Accept your guilt white boy. A guilt you can never be rid of or pay for. Ever. You can not do enough, patronize enough, die enough to pay. It's time for the truly superior race to make you pay with our endless victim hood and anger. Feel bad now, well you should.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/10/CNN-black-in-america-team-lightskinned


Pragmatically speaking you could definateley be construed as a lunatic :!:


Did you listen to the poem by those girls? So I'm crazy by pointing out what you have never been self aware of. Yes, down inside you have a sense of guilt. It has been programmed into you all your life. Again you refuse to see it, or be honest about it. You know nothing of how Blacks think about it and refuse to want to understand. So the typical reaction, "I'm Racist and Crazy." A lifetime of close association and relation to Blacks means nothing, a lifetime of being directly affected by this issue means nothing. A lifetime of thinking about and observing this issue means nothing. You are the expert. Fine you can't teach one who refuses to be taught.

You clinging to your naive and uninformed view without any self examination renders you dishonest and crazy. Refusal to see reality is a form of insanity. And no, you haven't worked in a public venue as a waiter to keep a roof over your head just like carving the turkey at for your family's Thanksgiving Dinner makes you a Chef.


You are so very presumptuous in you evaluation of my background and experiences. You must be a highly paid psychologist trying to teach me about my self. :roll: Your experience in life with people of other races, creeds, religions, etc. are ultimately the gospel and you honestly believe it! I' no expert nor will I profess that ass you so have. You know nothing of my life experiences in any form...nor will I share them with you to justify my stance....some things are left better unsaid. I will regress and leave you to believe what you may...that is your right, however, don't forget that society in general and as a whole revolves around you! ;)
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:43 am

You are so very presumptuous in you evaluation of my background and experiences. You must be a highly paid psychologist trying to teach me about my self. :roll: Your experience in life with people of other races, creeds, religions, etc. are ultimately the gospel and you honestly believe it! I' no expert nor will I profess that ass you so have. You know nothing of my life experiences in any form...nor will I share them with you to justify my stance....some things are left better unsaid. I will regress and leave you to believe what you may...that is your right, however, don't forget that society in general and as a whole revolves around you!


I'm glad you finally got that all figured out. We are making progress at last.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 am

Here is someone who will tell you like it is.



Another One.

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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:37 am

wsherrick wrote:Here is someone who will tell you like it is.



Another One.



Are you a follower of man or God himself? “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven. Blasphemy and heracy could be construed here.Just for the record are you HIGH in the Poconos...figurativley speaking? Has the thin air gotten to you or is it the "smack"? :rofl: You assume everyone acts out of guilt? Is that true?
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:40 am

Northern Maine wrote:Just for the record are you HIGH in the Poconos...figurativley speaking? Has the thin air gotten to you or is it the "smack"? You assume everyone acts out of guilt? Is that true?

Name calling is great when you run out of logic, easy to do and no thought involved.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:19 pm

I posted these videos to illustrate two points. The first, is that when a prominent pastor in Harlem, tells the truth, and he is Black, you can't call him a Racist so you have to think of other names to call him. The second, is that someone who can't handle having their naive point of view confronted will only attack from emotion. The argument then becomes a personal attack because there is no factual ammunition left to defend the erroneous point of view.
Here is a textbook case of it.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:26 pm

franco b wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Just for the record are you HIGH in the Poconos...figurativley speaking? Has the thin air gotten to you or is it the "smack"? You assume everyone acts out of guilt? Is that true?

Name calling is great when you run out of logic, easy to do and no thought involved.


Calling names?
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:39 pm

Here's what happens when a Black person has a mind of his own and refuses to adopt the Leftist, Racist Paradigm. You get hammered. Ask Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Allen West, Thomas Soule, Walter Williams. This just today's attack.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335623/espn-analyst-calls-rgiii-cornball-brother-because-he-may-be-republican-andrew-johnson
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:41 pm

wsherrick wrote:I posted these videos to illustrate two points. The first, is that when a prominent pastor in Harlem, tells the truth, and he is Black, you can't call him a Racist so you have to think of other names to call him. The second, is that someone who can't handle having their naive point of view confronted will only attack from emotion. The argument then becomes a personal attack because there is no factual ammunition left to defend the erroneous point of view.
Here is a textbook case of it.


A widely and popularly known pastor? Never heard of him...I've heard of Billy Graham, Al Sharpton, etc. and I surely don't take everything they have said as gospel...and in your opinion no one else's thoughts are credible, unless of course they agree to see things your way. As to personal attacks I believe you have that mastered....and I truly don't see any "facts" thus far in your presentation....they are more of an theory.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:42 pm

It certainly implies he is high on drugs and crazy.
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Re: One for the liberals

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:49 pm

franco b wrote:It certainly implies he is high on drugs and crazy.


I simply asked a question that would have been easily answered with a yes or no. His implications utilized in his correspondence here are questionable as well. ;)
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