Unrest in the GOP?

Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:04 pm

My Great Grandfather a dozen times removed fought hard to create, with 34 other legislatures mind you, what is the Republican Party today, but I am ashamed of what they have turned into. At a time when they should show leadership and discretion, they are posturing and played well into the liberals hands.

They have the house, where bills start, and yet with that ability they could create their own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff and remain solvent. Yet they do not do that, and now it is in the interest of the liberals to let us go over that cliff. With their hands directly off the doom of cuts to the military, heavy taxes on the middle class, they can easy blame the Republican Party and paint them as the culprits, when really it was their long time agenda anyway. Then they will return, call their changes tax cuts...because compared to the Bush tax breaks on the middle class are no longer in place...they will be, but of course not dropping as low as they were prior to 2013...

And what can the Republicans do about their reputation anyway? No matter what they do the Liberal media will not paint them in a bright light, so they minds well do what is best for the country and come up with a plan. When it fails to pass the Senate and the President at least they will be able to say: we had a viable plan that was rejected.

It is pretty scary times: the powers that be (Liberals) actually want this country to fail so they can further their objectives. I guess the Bible is right when it said in Ephesians 6:12 "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places", because it sure seems odd to have an entity already in power, to want failure, only to rise again for even more power. It kind of reminds me of the history of Germany, when between World War One and World War Two, their demise allowed a very evil man to enter the world stage...a person, who at that time, many thought was the antichrist.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:35 pm

NS, you have ancestors to be proud of but that's about as far as I agree. Why not admit that they were the major player in this recession & they have become as well as many Dems the servants of greed. The Republicans made their reputation what it is & only they can change that & it seems few are interested or too concerned with their own well being to care. I don't think that anybody in office actually wants the country to fail for they would fail with it, there are just very little in the way of self esteem & morals, seems as most sold them to the devil. If you take no responsibility for your actions your pretty much doomed. JMHO.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: tsb On: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:51 pm

If my party doesn't grow a set and start fighting like men,
we are all domed to social an economic stagnation.
They have to stop being a bunch of pussies.
You have to play to win not just play to not lose.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:11 am

The Republicans certainly played a part in the recession, but without question, Obama's actions to help stem a spiraling economy only worsened it. Every action he made was the wrong one and since we have yet to recover from it, I would say that after 4 years, blaming Bush is no longer in the cards.

That being said, I do not look at my ancestors and have an undo allegiance to the Republican Party. Years ago they saw a need to change to a party that better fit their morals. It very well may be time for me to change my own affiliation, and I have looked around some, but have not yet seen a replacement for them, nor have their core beliefs changed so radically that I cannot support them. That may change, but we do not live in a vacuum, and God's word is pretty clear that a remnant of his people will remain to the end, and just as my forefathers felt a need to change from the Federalist Party to something else, it was based on the religious convictions. So it will be for me.

Either way, as a Christian I have hope, and have skipped ahead and read the last chapter of the book; yep we win. That is no surprise, we already have won.


samhill wrote:NS, you have ancestors to be proud of but that's about as far as I agree. Why not admit that they were the major player in this recession & they have become as well as many Dems the servants of greed. The Republicans made their reputation what it is & only they can change that & it seems few are interested or too concerned with their own well being to care. I don't think that anybody in office actually wants the country to fail for they would fail with it, there are just very little in the way of self esteem & morals, seems as most sold them to the devil. If you take no responsibility for your actions your pretty much doomed. JMHO.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:35 am

lsayre wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:Can he live by his principles and make change that is helpful? and If so, what are his chances of doing so?


He understands that change is not always helpful and sometimes you must shrug in order to emerge stronger.

Quoting from 'Atlas Shrugged':

"Mr. Rearden," said Francisco, his voice solemnly calm, "if you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders-what would you tell him to do?"

"I . . . don't know. What . . . could he do? What would you tell him?"

"To shrug."


It's quite understandable that Ayn Rand would be a right wing super star and write the materials she produced. She started life as a bourgeois "white Russian" jew (turned atheist) born to a life of privilege that was persecuted then taken away by Lennin and the "commies". This of course effected the rest of her life and flavored everything she did and believed in until the end of her life where she "very ironically" ended up on social security and medicare!
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:54 pm

SteveZee wrote:she "very ironically" ended up on social security and medicare!


C'mon Steve, she paid into it probably from the very beginning. It is not a welfare program and was in her self interest to take advantage of it.

I think even among those who disagreed with her very few would deny she was brilliant.

She was an intellectual and often came across as cold and heartless as intellectually conceived systems of philosophy often do. They tend to ignore the raw material they are working to influence. If a talented demagogue like Obama was a disciple there would be a great deal more acceptance.

She espoused a system which stressed maximal freedom for the individual which she fervently believed would lead to the greater good for all. Whether you agree with her or not individualism is the stuff on which evolution works and to which we owe our current biological state as well as our affluence.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:02 pm

franco b wrote:
SteveZee wrote:she "very ironically" ended up on social security and medicare!


C'mon Steve, she paid into it probably from the very beginning. It is not a welfare program and was in her self interest to take advantage of it.

I think even among those who disagreed with her very few would deny she was brilliant.

She was an intellectual and often came across as cold and heartless as intellectually conceived systems of philosophy often do. They tend to ignore the raw material they are working to influence. If a talented demagogue like Obama was a disciple there would be a great deal more acceptance.

She espoused a system which stressed maximal freedom for the individual which she fervently believed would lead to the greater good for all. Whether you agree with her or not individualism is the stuff on which evolution works and to which we owe our current biological state as well as our affluence.


I agree with most of that Richard. I was just pointing out that it was the height of irony, that of all people, she would end up on either program. It's apropos of nothing except that there is middle ground from all perspectives.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 pm

NoSmoke wrote:The Republicans certainly played a part in the recession, but without question, Obama's actions to help stem a spiraling economy only worsened it. Every action he made was the wrong one and since we have yet to recover from it, I would say that after 4 years, blaming Bush is no longer in the cards.


samhill wrote:NS, you have ancestors to be proud of but that's about as far as I agree. Why not admit that they were the major player in this recession & they have become as well as many Dems the servants of greed. The Republicans made their reputation what it is & only they can change that & it seems few are interested or too concerned with their own well being to care. I don't think that anybody in office actually wants the country to fail for they would fail with it, there are just very little in the way of self esteem & morals, seems as most sold them to the devil. If you take no responsibility for your actions your pretty much doomed. JMHO.


They helped mightily and admited as much playing the obstructionist's trying to block everything proposed regardless of merit and it cost them. Lets hope the next 4 years there is some partisanship on both sides and things can done to take the country forward.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:22 pm

SteveZee wrote:
NoSmoke wrote:The Republicans certainly played a part in the recession, but without question, Obama's actions to help stem a spiraling economy only worsened it. Every action he made was the wrong one and since we have yet to recover from it, I would say that after 4 years, blaming Bush is no longer in the cards.


samhill wrote:NS, you have ancestors to be proud of but that's about as far as I agree. Why not admit that they were the major player in this recession & they have become as well as many Dems the servants of greed. The Republicans made their reputation what it is & only they can change that & it seems few are interested or too concerned with their own well being to care. I don't think that anybody in office actually wants the country to fail for they would fail with it, there are just very little in the way of self esteem & morals, seems as most sold them to the devil. If you take no responsibility for your actions your pretty much doomed. JMHO.


They helped mightily and admited as much playing the obstructionist's trying to block everything proposed regardless of merit and it cost them. Lets hope the next 4 years there is some partisanship on both sides and things can done to take the country forward.

:nice:
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:19 pm

By bipartisanship, you mean ... do what Obama says, and to hell with the Republican's principles? That's the message I'm getting from the dems .... :roll:

I agree with Rand Paul: Vote present, and let the damn democrats own this *censored*.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:28 pm

SMITTY wrote:By bipartisanship, you mean ... do what Obama says, and to hell with the Republican's principles? That's the message I'm getting from the dems .... :roll:

I agree with Rand Paul: Vote present, and let the damn democrats own this *censored*.


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According to this both parties are much the same!
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:32 pm

What has this to do with Smitty's belief
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:39 pm

franco b wrote:What has this to do with Smitty's belief


It means that either side is no better than the other I guess! Did you even listen too the media presented? Guess not! Time frames of our posts explain it! :doh:
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:08 pm

Sorry, I just don't see the relevance of what a third party believes to what Smitty believes.
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Re: Unrest in the GOP?

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:59 am

franco b wrote:Sorry, I just don't see the relevance of what a third party believes to what Smitty believes.


Just that, it is an example in how the two parties are the same...what relevance does a second and third party (being you and I) have in Smitty's beliefs...other than the fact that you agree and I may not....If I disagree...I will be labeled as a liberal/socialist/communist, etc.....If I do agree...then what will I be labeled as?
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