surdiac 713

surdiac 713

PostBy: jersey On: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:23 pm

have a 713 runs well i think? stack temp runs130f on>1 and230f on 3 depending on when i stoke, temp gauge 3ft. up flue discharge(direct vent wide open) any feed backout there? also there is info on the right side of the ash cover can some one interpret?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warmmorning 400
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning 400
Stove/Furnace Model: warm morning 400

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: coochy77 On: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:47 pm

I also have a surdiac 713, have been using it since 1984 every winter since. It is truly a wonderful stove and works great in my 2,400 sqf home. Not sure what your asking in your question. Dont be so concerned about stack temperatures not important. I never go above #2 on the thermostat. You should be shaking the stove roughly every 8 hours and keep the hopper filled with coal. Make sure the gaskets are in good condition (change every 2 years) and in summer make sure you clean out the heat exchanger in the back. This stove should give you many years of service. Let me know if I can help you in any questions on yoru Surdiac.
Larry
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Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: jersey On: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:04 am

thanks for touching base i am new to coal this year, the stove seens to run good,just as you said shake every 8hrs. do you recomend a borometer? i have a mpd. have you been able to get good or original type gasketing ineed help in that department.also hopper pinched slitely about 1/2" in the middle any sugestions.ihave a3000sq.bylevel home so far so good 72f in side 24 outside .last question this post,the writing on the hopper corrisponds to the rite inside ash door cover decail any help? thanks forthe post. jack
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Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning 400
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Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: coochy77 On: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:17 am

Yes you definitely should use a barametric damper, its a simple device that flaps open when the air pressure changes. You can see it open and close on a windy day. This will keep the pressure in the stove constant so the wind wont pull out all the heat on a windy day and your stove will operate more efficiently. its about $40-50, just buy a 5" one and attatch it behind the stove into the pipe. Make sure its level and play with the adjustment until it only begins to move when its windy. On the pinched hopper its time to change it. I'm on my 3rd one in 24 years, They last about 6-10 years. When they pinch in you know they have to be changed. A real big pain in the ass to get out. You have to disasseble the stove, get everything out and then remove the hopper thru the glass door. I usually cut the bolts with a dremel and take out 1/2 of the hopper at a time. makes it much easier. The parts are still available at woodmans parts, but they have become very expensive.
I hope this helps you with your Surdiac, Let me know if I can be of further help
Larry
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Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: bjpjp On: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:19 pm

Bought my home 3 years ago and inherited a surdiac 713 coal stove which is located in a large (20'X22") partially below grade family room. Took the entire first winter to learn how to make/sustain a coal fire since I was a former wood stove user and a "little ADHD" so not messing with the fire was difficult. I have found oak flooring to be the best/quickest way to start the fire. My biggest issue is sustaining the fire and controlling the temperature which leads me to believe that I have a draft problem. Its seems to be all or nothing with temps in the family room in the 80-90's at times. If I try to turn down the draft control the fire dies out. Locking handle on the glass door is missing its screw so door does not seal tightly when shut. I do have what I believe is a functional barometric damper but it seems to be in rough shape. Also I need to get up once a night to shake the fire once. Do not have a functional grate shaker. I have to re-fire the stove every 3-4 days. I can often "jumpstart" the fire with 1 or 2 pieces of oak and by leaving the ash door open for several hours. Read on this forum about a bent hopper-could this cause a coal jam and would this this be cause and/or contributor to my problem? We love the stove and need a source of heat in this room. House is heated with 2 brand new high efficiency natural gas furnaces but they do not make this room comfortable enough. Coal is readily available in CT and $140.00/ton so I really do NOT want to "bail-out" and replace the stove with a new remote controlled gas stove. Please help!!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Surdiac
Stove/Furnace Model: Gotha 713 D

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: Ross On: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:36 pm

I have the same stove but am new to coal this year. I suggest fixing the seal on the door first - I bet that will make a big difference. If that doesn't fix it then look at draft.

I have been burning 24/7 since October. I shut it down once to clean it. I shake twice a day using the long thin metal poker in the 3 slots. The shaker that you pull from the side has been useless for me. I found that poking the fire from the top (through the glass door) is counterproductive. Just use the 3 slots. I have a magnetic thermometer on the front screen over the glass. It sits between 250 & 300. I'm using pea coal and am in CT too. I got the coal from NB household oil & coal.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713
Coal Size/Type: Pea
Stove/Furnace Make: Surdiac
Stove/Furnace Model: Gotha 713

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:43 pm

The door has to fit tight to avoid killing the draft under the coal.

What is your chimney? A large chimney on an outside wall is difficult to get warm enough to supply adequate draft.

Where in CT can you get coal for $140?

Richard
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Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: Bud63 On: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:52 pm

Surdiac parts and accessories are available at http://www.myersfurniturepa.com. I have purchased pre-set barometric dampers at Myers’ and they have worked well for 21 years.
Bud63
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Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: bjpjp On: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:12 am

Thanks for the rapid replies. I think the door seal is a factor b/c I held it shut tight with the coal bucket and when I came back from the gym the fire was blazin! However I also sealed the barometric damper with aluminum foil so I'm not sure which gave me the results! I took the foil off he damper and will see if the stove stays lit with the door sealed tightly. (I have had the same experience regarding the futility of the side shaker and also only shake the coals thru the slots ) I too get my coal from NB household coal but was mistaken on the price (my son picked up the last batch which was only 1000# not a ton). The chimney is not large 8"X8" and was built for this stove according to the previous homeowner. I am scheduled to have the chimney and stove cleaned and serviced so hopefully I'll learn a little more about my system. I am in need of some parts for the door handle so I appreciate the link to Myers. I can't tell you how glad I am to have found this forum. Hopefully I can get a freakin clue on this beast and perhaps help someone in the future. Once again thanks.
Ross, if I still have issues with the stove after it is serviced, could I check out your setup and the operation of your stove? Or maybe you can check out my stove and offer suggestions? My wife and I live in Plainville but I have to warn you I hope you like kids-we have 7!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Surdiac
Stove/Furnace Model: Gotha 713 D

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: Ross On: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:41 pm

bjpjp wrote: My wife and I live in Plainville but I have to warn you I hope you like kids-we have 7!

LOL - small world. I'm in Plainville too. Would be great to get together to talk coal. I'll send you a pm with my contact info. Wow, 7 kids...your 5 ahead of me!
Ross
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713
Coal Size/Type: Pea
Stove/Furnace Make: Surdiac
Stove/Furnace Model: Gotha 713

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: EasyRay On: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:40 pm

WOW! me too. I'm live near Toffolon School.

Sorry....I didn't mean to hijack this thread.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Pea,Nut or Stove

Re: surdiac 713

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:56 pm

Make sure you close the slots you shake through, as air can get in there and negate the thermostat setting. Fire will overheat.

Richard
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Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

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