Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

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Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: jpen1 On: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:38 pm

Does anyone have any experience burning coal from Black Diamond Mining from Mt. Carmel, PA? A friend of mine asked me about that breaker and as many breakers I have hauled out of I have never heard of them. I google searched them and I found their address and phone number and they are only a couple of miles from Harmony. So before my curiosity gets the best of me and I go get a load to try I would like to hear what other may know about the operation.
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:50 am

Hmmm Never heard of black diamond coal company in Mt. Carmel Pa. Will check it out and see what I can find.

Rev. Larry
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:35 am

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate ... -12-10.pdf

Found this 2 year old link to a Pa. State file showing active mining permit holders in Pa. Refuse processing is actually culm pile sifting, sorting, and reselling. There was a reason that they tossed that stuff back in the day. Everyone appears to be jumping on the bandwagon going after their fortune in the black trash coal business.

If you see a reference to refuse reprocessing which is the bulk of the listing for active permits that means they are cleaning and selling what they get from the "culm mountains" in Pa. At the old Glenn Burn site in Shamokin Pa. you see trucks come down that culm mountain all day long five days a week mostly going to the co-gen plant in Kulpmont Pa. where they have a special boiler designed to burn the junk coal that comes from culm. I tried Split Vein who is a reprocessor last year. They specializes in "recovered coal." I bought a 1/2 ton to try it. With Harmony at $170 and Split Vein at $110 a ton I decided to try it. It was the biggest mistake I made since burning coal.

The rice coal wouldn't burn in my yellow flame stoker hot water boiler. It would just come down the grate, refuse to light and just sit there and go out. The amount of actual dirt and rocks, not coal fines, actual DIRT, was incredible. I made a cleaning screen and actually had to hose it down outside a bucket load at a time to get it where I could get anything to burn at all. I mixed it 25% with Lenig rice when they had the good stuff. That was the only way I could get rid of the trash coal and sometimes I had to rake a lot off the grate because the Lenig would burn but the Split Vein just sat in the mix. The reprocessed pea coal would burn maybe 75% and the rest just sat there and clogged the grate on my Effel hand fed.

If you want really really really cheap coal and don't mind the bone, rock, and just plain bad coal get it from a re-processor. Otherwise stick with the plants where there are a line of pickup trucks every Saturday morning. Lines of dump trucks pretty much means they are hauling refuse or culm to or from a re-processor. Lines of pickup trucks means they got good stuff. Kinda like a truck stop. Packed truck stop means decent food. Empty truck stop... buyer beware!

Rev. Larry
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: wcb332 On: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:40 pm

I agree with Larry. I know 2 people that went to Black Diamond in an attempt to save a few bucks and had nothing but problems. Not only problems but using the same Keystoker warm air furnace I have. I am relevantly new at burning coal for heat ( 5 years ) and have learned from research and friends about what to look for when buying coal, keeping your unit running right and much more, like putting a 150W light bulb in my unit during the summer to keep moisture from rusting my stoker. I know it sounds like a strange thing to do but it works. Coal is not Coal and there's big differences between veins. Buyer beware for sure. I use a Coal Company out of Pottsville and have no problems, a nice white light ash and great heat. I start my furnace up Mid October and shut it down in Mid April and have never had to restart it. I would not buy coal anywhere else.
Best Regards,
Wayne
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:06 am

The old adage rings true .... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

Some things just can't be cheaped-out on. ;)
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:31 am

SMITTY wrote:The old adage rings true .... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

Some things just can't be cheaped-out on. ;)


This definitely needs to be on every coal burners mind when shopping for coal! 2B stone does not qualify as a coal!
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Re: Black Diamond Mining Co. Coal Quality?

PostBy: sunshine On: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:42 pm

I have got to take exception to some of the things mentioned above. When it comes to anthracite coal, it does not matter if the coal is freshly mined or reclaimed. The quality depends on two things. First is the quality of the coal as it comes out of the ground. Quality varies from seam to seam and it can vary within any given seam. That is why a responsible breaker operator constantly checks the quality of coal going into his breaker no matter what it's origin.

The second factor affecting quality is the method used to clean the coal. Black Diamond Mining uses a heavy media cyclone which is the best available technology. Black Diamond washes a blend of freshly mined and reclaimed coal.

The coal in the culm banks all around the area is not there solely because it is inferior quality. The technology available at the time these piles were created was not able to recover much of the coal that went through the breakers. As a result, there are many millions of tons of high quality coal in these piles. Cleaning them up and washing the coal with modern technology produces a high quality product and performs an environmental service by cleaning up the legacy of past mistakes.

I burn rice coal from Black Diamond in my Alaska stoker and have great luck with it. If you want to save money and get a quality product, you can find Black Diamond on the East side of route 61 in Atlas, between Coles Hardware and the car wash.
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