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SteveZee wrote:Reason rather than revelation so to speak. Necessary truths that are not always logical.

You just defined Deism, the belief that most of the founding fathers subscribed to.

I understand you wish to live another hundred years. For a suitable fee I can reveal to you the secret that has been passed down to me to make that possible. Hurry though because I might not have too much time left.

franco b wrote:

SteveZee wrote:This is quite different from moral law though. Nature defining itself through it's hiearchal system of physics, balance and food chain, etc.. without regard to morals whatsoever.

Not true. The evolution of moral law follows natural law and the rules of evolution and was and is critical to our survival. Moral law is also evident in many animals. Your dog don't bite you, but might bite me.

Dogs are pack animals and adhere to a hiarchy that you might have threatened to get bitten. I, as alfa dog, may have trained the dog to do so and that would be more the human element of reward/punishment. Yes he may bite you of his own accord but if so, probably would bite me too.

No, he bites me because I am an outsider, the same response that humans have.

"If you take in a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a man and a dog" -------Mark Twain

Stop feeding him and see what happens.

Kevin

KLook wrote:Stop feeding him and see what happens.

Kevin

Dogs have suffered all manner of abuse without turning on their masters.

The instinctive feeling of kinship with animals is so strong in many people that they will go berserk when confronted with animal abuse. Attack and maim or even kill.