Gun Control News

Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:33 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
SMITTY wrote:I don't get you NM ..... your views flip flop worse than John Kerry. One minute your posting all the guns you own ..... and the next your for gun control. :confused:

The Second Amendment is about the right of THE PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR ARMS -- It has NOTHING to do with your mental state! IF your a whackjob, then the people who are supposed to be writing common sense laws should have that said whackjob put in JAIL, where he is NOT a threat to society.

Every generation of my family has owned or carried firearms. Not one murder in 100+ years ....


I was responding to Jpetes implication that govt. should not be involved in our right to own firearms...I disagree....I think we have laws in place now that are sufficent and should be enforced and in fact some of those very laws stemmed this Stanza guy from purchasing a weapon. Hope this clarifies your confusion! ;)

There are two issues. Jeff is talking about individual rights and NM is talking about society and it's rules for the greater good. One seems to trump the other if in fact one wants to be a member of that society.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:37 pm

Can an individuals right's be "trumped" without due process?

Where is the "greater good" in abridging rights?
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:11 pm

I think there is 1 simple thing they can do that might help. No CCW, no weapon. You cant even purchase a .22 without a CCW. The CCW is a better check then the background check used to purchase weapons. BUT, it still wont stop the ones hell bent on destruction as they will find a weapon by any means neccesary. Steal them, buy them off the streets, shoot your parents with their own weapons and take them, whatever it takes. If the kid went in there lobbing pipe bombs full of roofing nails would less people have died?? I dont know. And you can buy those supplies a wal-mart.

The answer lies in better security. How many mass shootings happen at NRA conventions? Hmmm...maybe because these whackos know most people there are packing. They target places where there is no one armed. Schools, churches, malls, movie theaters. How many of you CCW holders carry everywhere? Show of hands. I do. But that is me.

This happened 30 minutes from my parent's front door. We played this town in football every year. http://coudynews.com/local-news/witness ... -shooting/

Had 1 person been armed, this would have been ended. It wasnt until after the second damn shot that enough people grew some balls and tackeled the guy. Are you kidding me?

I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?"

Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"

Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators.

Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.

I will not pretend to understand.

I will not forget.

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly, "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told the Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror.

Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it.

And defeat it we must!"

I will force myself to:

-hear the weeping

-feel the helplessness

-imagine the terror

-sense the panic

-smell the burning flesh

-experience the loss

- remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)

Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Hurrrrahh.



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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:36 pm

All of the doors to my house have a sign on them that says, "Warning if you enter these premises unlawfully you WILL be shot!" The UPS man leaves the packages, knocks, and drives away! LOL!
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:40 am

jpete wrote:Can an individuals right's be "trumped" without due process?

Where is the "greater good" in abridging rights?

The greater good of the whole as perceived by that group or society's rules or standards versus the individual within the group. Of course you already knew that. ;)
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:41 am

SteveZee wrote:
jpete wrote:Can an individuals right's be "trumped" without due process?

Where is the "greater good" in abridging rights?

The greater good of the whole as perceived by that group or society's rules or standards versus the individual within the group. Of course you already knew that. ;)


Like in Germany circa 1939?
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:51 pm

I am not sure guns are the real problem.

The first two advertisements I saw after learning about the shooting in CT were video games ad's that had the word "Destruction" right in the title. After raising a generation where in order to win the game they must constantly destroy, is it any wonder when they hit reality at age 20-30 that they cannot cope and revert to destruction?

The mirror image of this tragedy was over in China where the person used a box-cutter type of knife to kill children. No guns were used then and it still occurred.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: plumb-r On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:32 pm

Gun control will not help. In China a man armed with a knife injured 22 school children on Friday. In 2010 also in China, a man with a knife attacked school children, killed 20, wounded more than 50.It's not just our country, and it's not guns. Not sure what the answer is but taking guns will not solve it. :(
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:37 pm

..we just have to be repetitive about this, its not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it on a Monday, we need to do this everyday of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GWhRAccEuE
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:..we just have to be repetitive about this, its not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it on a Monday, we need to do this everyday of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GWhRAccEuE



I bet he has a license to carry anywhere.

on another note: http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-d ... rs?cid=rss
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:22 pm

jpete wrote:
SteveZee wrote:
jpete wrote:Can an individuals right's be "trumped" without due process?

Where is the "greater good" in abridging rights?

The greater good of the whole as perceived by that group or society's rules or standards versus the individual within the group. Of course you already knew that. ;)


Like in Germany circa 1939?

Like in any society on the planet that someone is a member of. If one doesn't like those rules they change them through the passage of laws. If that doesn't work for you or your not happy with the outcome, then it's your choice to move to a location that suits you or continue due process to make changes.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:49 pm

A long time ago, my town had a murder tragedy as well.

A family was slaughtered with an axe; a husband, wife, a couple of kids and even a 17 year old baby. The murderer tried to start the house on fire, but the son living in the house heard the screams and then saw the fire and ran for help and survived.

In a mad rush of late 1800 justice, the towns people concluded that since the boy was the only one to survive, he must have been the one that did it. They hauled him off to jail, gave a quick, useless trial and then proceeded to hang him.

The town was a little premature.

After the hanging, the real murderer who had escaped to New Brunswick Canada, later wrote the town and told them they hand executed the wrong man. He was a hired man and felt the farm owner mistreated him, but the boy he actually liked and had befriended him; that was why only he was spared. It was on account of this that the death penalty in Maine was done away with.

I tell this story because NOW is NOT the time to be proceeding with new laws. I realize a tragedy has happened, but lets let the people in that community grieve. Lets be supportive, loving and respectful. With images of the slain children streaming on facebook, and wild stories being told, lets wait until emotions are not so rampant, and look at this issue with cooler heads. 139 years ago my town made a mistake based entirely on emotion and that should not be done now.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:19 pm

SteveZee wrote:Like in any society on the planet that someone is a member of. If one doesn't like those rules they change them through the passage of laws. If that doesn't work for you or your not happy with the outcome, then it's your choice to move to a location that suits you or continue due process to make changes.


Sort of like Jefferson, Washington and Adams did?

I remember well the stories where they voted to make changes and then moved to Canada when that didn't work.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:36 pm

jpete wrote:
SteveZee wrote:Like in any society on the planet that someone is a member of. If one doesn't like those rules they change them through the passage of laws. If that doesn't work for you or your not happy with the outcome, then it's your choice to move to a location that suits you or continue due process to make changes.


Sort of like Jefferson, Washington and Adams did?

I remember well the stories where they voted to make changes and then moved to Canada when that didn't work.

Yeah like that, Now you got it!
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