Gun Control News

Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: homecomfort On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:23 am

everyone knows that the accidental shooting rate will go up, accidents happen when guns are "hidden, stashed" in gun owner's homes, imagine the long term carnage when wannabe cowboys are carrying on the streets, and in public buildings. thanks nra, you are making America a war zone, all for your profit.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:36 am

Lately I have been hearing more con law makers calling for some type of control, as usual they will most likely go too far but who knows maybe this time they will think things out, nah not gonna happen. In the meantime just think of all the money that's being make off of a tragedy, now that's the American free enterprise system at work.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:39 am

homecomfort wrote:everyone knows that the accidental shooting rate will go up, accidents happen when guns are "hidden, stashed" in gun owner's homes, imagine the long term carnage when wannabe cowboys are carrying on the streets, and in public buildings. thanks nra, you are making America a war zone, all for your profit.



You convinced me. I agree we should all give up our guns, along with the American military being dissolved. Lets get rid of our aircraft, ships, tanks ect... There are just to many accidents especially with the fighter aircraft. Why do we need a military anyway?

( I really would like you to answer this HC, I don't see any difference in using our military might to deter other countries from attacking us to me protecting my family from criminals.)

Just think of the money we will save as a country. Or military is a huge expense that has lots of accidents every year.

I do agree there should be requirements for people to acquire at least the basics of training to carry a firearm.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:43 am

samhill wrote:Lately I have been hearing more con law makers calling for some type of control, as usual they will most likely go too far but who knows maybe this time they will think things out, nah not gonna happen. In the meantime just think of all the money that's being make off of a tragedy, now that's the American free enterprise system at work.



Of coarse they will. And the law makers are only worried about getting their asses re-elected. They are going after the popular opinion which is much easier and will solve nothing. Instead of the difficult task of fixing the real issue.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:53 am

I do agree there should be requirements for people to acquire at least the basics of training to carry a firearm.


I do also, but it pisses me off that I have to go take the exact same inadequate course here in Tenn. that I took in Maine just last year. It is the same NRA basic course. To a lifelong gun owner that was grandfathered in Maine, it is an insult. I took it with my wife in case you are wondering why and it gave me the piece of paper to take with me. But they want their $200 here so they don't accept the same course taught by a retired trooper because I have to take it from their retired trooper. On the other hand, I can walk into the right place in Georgia and for a fee, they will just give me one.
We need a national permit system. AND there needs to be hands on training and more legal training.
Allowing restrictions for advanced training just lets the idiots that don't believe in them at all (HC) make it to difficult to have one at all. Moderation not knee jerk reaction. NON of this would have stopped this recent idiot anyways.

Kevin
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:14 am

KLook wrote:
I do agree there should be requirements for people to acquire at least the basics of training to carry a firearm.


I do also, but it pisses me off that I have to go take the exact same inadequate course here in Tenn. that I took in Maine just last year. It is the same NRA basic course. To a lifelong gun owner that was grandfathered in Maine, it is an insult. I took it with my wife in case you are wondering why and it gave me the piece of paper to take with me. But they want their $200 here so they don't accept the same course taught by a retired trooper because I have to take it from their retired trooper. On the other hand, I can walk into the right place in Georgia and for a fee, they will just give me one.
We need a national permit system. AND there needs to be hands on training and more legal training.
Allowing restrictions for advanced training just lets the idiots that don't believe in them at all (HC) make it to difficult to have one at all. Moderation not knee jerk reaction. NON of this would have stopped this recent idiot anyways.

Kevin

Wow, I never thought I'd see the day that KLook would be advocating more Fed Gov versus States rights! Who'd a thunk it! ;)
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:31 am

I don't think they should be federal laws for CCW . But we do need a better reprocity system, like a drivers license is. Rules for your state apply where ever you are.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:39 am

Funny Steve, We are the United States. And I have the right to move about the county and I have the same constitutional rights everywhere. The Supreme Court has just struck down the last outright ban on carrying. The Federal gov. was first conceived to stop individual states from stopping interstate commerce and the movement of goods and to ensure the equal application of the Constitution. This is within the scope of the original intent to prevent some states from denying anyone their constitutional rights. I have passed a test determined to qualify me for CC and it should be good within the bounds of the US with said restrictions that apply in that state. (Bars, schools, etc.) Within reason as states(or cities) would make nonsensical laws to make it impossible. Nothing more. What is wrong with that? The states have the right to impose laws on their citizens, just within the framework of the Constitution. They should not be able to deny me because I took the course and test in Maine.

Kevin
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:42 am

I don't think they should be federal laws for CCW . But we do need a better reprocity system, like a drivers license is. Rules for your state apply where ever you are.


There is reciprocity here Flyer5. But I had 3 months to spend $200 bucks and sit in another 8 hour ultra boring class with some guy saying ,This is a gun, This is a cartridge, this is revolver, etc.

Kevin
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:45 am

KLook wrote:
I don't think they should be federal laws for CCW . But we do need a better reprocity system, like a drivers license is. Rules for your state apply where ever you are.


There is reciprocity here Flyer5. But I had 3 months to spend $200 bucks and sit in another 8 hour ultra boring class with some guy saying ,This is a gun, This is a cartridge, this is revolver, etc.

Kevin



LOL! I understand. :D
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:45 am

I would have to do a little searching, dont feel like it, but I think all veterans are exempt in any state from having to take the course. I don't mind the perk for vets. But why is my having to take the same test in every state logical?

Kevin
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:48 am

KLook wrote:I would have to do a little searching, dont feel like it, but I think all veterans are exempt in any state from having to take the course. I don't mind the perk for vets. But why is my having to take the same test in every state logical?

Kevin



I don't think it had anything to do with needing the training. Might have had more to do with the $200.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:58 am

LOL! I understand. :D


I thought most would that had sat through it. I am all for advanced training and advanced levels of carry. If I am going to submit to profiling and spend money to train and be vetted, I want to carry where others can't. I have nothing against licensing and training when guns are involved.We do it with cars and trucks and buses, etc. But there need to be levels of proficiency that allow benefits to achieving them. And there will be someone highly trained lose it at some time.
I can hear the guys saying yeah your all tough and talk big on here, blah, blah, blah. But why lump everyone in the same inept category? The ones that can demonstrate the skill, prove even tempered, and are willing to step into the fray, at risk to themselves should not be hindered. It is the best solution to a random event that the police come and collect evidence at.

Kevin

Might have had more to do with the $200.

Yeah, but that is bogus also.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:46 am

Unforutnately the way of society now is "We must do something NOW to stop this" right or wrong. The only thing they know how to do is make more laws.

They are not fixing anything, Just making sure they get noticed for "doing something" The problems we have are bigger than what new laws can fix.

I hope that we eventually recognize that the only fix is to accept the only way to protect everyone, is to let them protect themselves.
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Re: Gun Control News

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:52 am

KLook wrote: The Supreme Court has just struck down the last outright ban on carrying.

Kevin


I wouldn't suggest you test that theory in RI or most of the northeast. :)
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