Connecticut Shooting

Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:08 pm

A pervasive developmental disorder, Asperger's syndrome is distinguished by a pattern of symptoms rather than a single symptom. It is characterized by qualitative impairment in social interaction, by stereotyped and restricted patterns of behavior, activities and interests, and by no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or general delay in language. Intense preoccupation with a narrow subject, one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody, and physical clumsiness are typical of the condition.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:15 pm

Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:18 pm

freetown fred wrote:Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!


The media has insinuated that this young man had Asbergers....looking deeply into this "MAY" give explanation to his state of mind? Maybe? not sure
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:22 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!


The media has insinuated that this young man had Asbergers....looking deeply into this "MAY" give explanation to his state of mind? Maybe? not sure


It's Asperger's and I have been waiting for confirmation of this. Within the first few hours, I heard he had "autism" which then changed to "some sort of mental disease."

My question is, what, if any, drugs was he prescribed related to his alleged condition.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:26 pm

jpete wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!


The media has insinuated that this young man had Asbergers....looking deeply into this "MAY" give explanation to his state of mind? Maybe? not sure


It's Asperger's and I have been waiting for confirmation of this. Within the first few hours, I heard he had "autism" which then changed to "some sort of mental disease."

My question is, what, if any, drugs was he prescribed related to his alleged condition.


Thanks for the SP correction....in my experience...not many drugs if any are initiated... cognitive behavioral therapy is considered to be the best treatment. I'm not an expert...but previous to my current employment I worked with children ages 4 to 18 with many diagnoses and 3 with Aspergers...
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:53 pm

As to prescription drug usage....If there is a lack of a certain type of something produced in the body....i.e. serotonin, etc. uptake, re-uptake,etc. this can lead to a variety of issues that prescription drugs assist in replacement therapy...but extraneous therapy (like cognitive behavioral therapy or retraining of the brain) assist in an increased normality of function...Again...I'm no expert!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:19 pm

freetown fred wrote:Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!


No one will ever know. If the school had 600 students, there should have been close to 50-60 adults there. Could they have responded in large enough numbers to take him down as he was reloading or actively looking for people to shoot? maybe. They did in the church shooting in Coudersport, PA and he still had a loaded live weapon. They overpowered him and took the gun away from him until the State Police showed up.

This happened fast. But, if the kid went to the officer first, then there should have been some type of response. However, we arent taught to put ourselves into harms way. People stood by and a photographer shot photos of a man who was pushed into a NY subway and he was killed. In psychology class we often talked about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect. It is a real and true thing.

Many years ago my brother and 3 of his friends saved a handicapped man who was pushed off a pier in Maryland. Someone walked up, pushed him off the dock, and ran off. Several people watched, but no one except my brother and his 3 friends dove in and saved the man.

These mass murders will continue. It is a growing trend that will only get worse. We combat it through parenting our own children, having better plans in action, running drills, and increasing the presence of security. We also combat it ourselves be being prepared in the event that we are ever thrust into this situation. As my new sig line says...
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:26 pm

Rw, not referring to your sig, but your thoughts in your last statement--outstanding. aspergergers, asbergers??? I personally don't give a *censored* what his problems were, he was a demented FK & is exactly where he belongs--
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:04 pm

Friday’s horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in America. In kitchens and coffee shops across the country, we tearfully debate the many faces of violence in America: gun culture, media violence, lack of mental health services, overt and covert wars abroad, religion, politics and the way we raise our children. Liza Long, a writer based in Boise, says it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

While every family's story of mental illness is different, and we may never know the whole of the Lanza's story, tales like this one need to be heard -- and families who live them deserve our help.

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan -- they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he’s in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He’s in a good mood most of the time. But when he’s not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.

Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, “Look, Mom, I’m really sorry. Can I have video games back today?”

“No way,” I told him. “You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly.”

His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. “Then I’m going to kill myself,” he said. “I’m going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself.”

That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.
“Where are you taking me?” he said, suddenly worried. “Where are we going?”

“You know where we are going,” I replied.

“No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!”

I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. “Call the police,” I said. “Hurry.”

Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.
The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork -- “Were there any difficulties with… at what age did your child… were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have…”

At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You’ll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

For days, my son insisted that I was lying -- that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, “I hate you. And I’m going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here.”

By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I’ve heard those promises for years. I don’t believe them anymore.

On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”

And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am James Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise -- in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill -- Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011.

No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.

(Originally published at The Anarchist Soccer Mom.)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:47 pm

PE

Saw this earlier today. It is making the rounds all over the interwebz. If true, and I suspect it is, this is what we are dealing with today and will be in the future regarding mental illness.

Having seen this first hand with the wife's nephew, and he is only 7 now, it just may be an issue in the years to come. He was bullied by classmates early, but is very bright once on his meds. He really is a good kid. But he does have certain episodes. In the earlier episodes, he did threaten to kill his classmates. But as he was only 5 at the time, it was sorta blown off as a real threat but did set off the alarms that this kid needs some serious help. He's getting it now but.............. will he ever be cured ?? Will he have to stay on meds for his lifetime ?? What if he stops taking them later in life ?? So many questions and so little known remedies !!!!!!



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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:27 am

What's disturbing is that Asperger's and other forms of autism in general are way up as a percentage of the population in the past 20 years. I really wonder why this is and what's causing it?
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:09 am

SteveZee wrote:What's disturbing is that Asperger's and other forms of autism in general are way up as a percentage of the population in the past 20 years. I really wonder why this is and what's causing it?


The autism spectrum has been studied increasingly/intensively over the past 20 years and with increased knowledge of it, one could surmise that to be the increase in percentage. As to the cause....there is no definite answer's as to the cause...only theories as too the cause at this point.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:08 am

I deal with this every day. They often send them to us instead of the mental hospitals and as long as we keep them so medicated up they are drooling, everthing is good. When they stop taking those meds, they kill their cellmates and eat parts of them...

As to what is causing it? Maybe the chemicals they pump into our processed foods? Maybe the lack of a dad. I dont know, but I feel for those parents who have to struggle with this every day.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:14 am

Rwalker wrote:I deal with this every day. They often send them to us instead of the mental hospitals and as long as we keep them so medicated up they are drooling, everthing is good. When they stop taking those meds, they kill their cellmates and eat parts of them...

As to what is causing it? Maybe the chemicals they pump into our processed foods? Maybe the lack of a dad. I dont know, but I feel for those parents who have to struggle with this every day.


I feel the same as you RW...after working with families for 4 years dealing with their children that had a variety of mental health diagnosis...I truly got burnt out....so imagine how they feel....truly sad!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:27 am

homecomfort wrote:when the constitution was written to include the right to bear arms, it is unlikely the gun technology available back then would make it possible for one or two jerks to kill dozens of people in a few seconds. possible the 2nd. amendment needs,,, amending.


HC that would be the correct approach but you'll never get the support for it, hypothetically speaking even if there wasn't a single Conservative in Congress you would still have trouble getting it passed. It's not going to happen in our lifetime and that is just a fact. The approach is going to be slowly nibble away at through back door means, e.g. you don't ban guns but instead ban lead in bullets.
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