Connecticut Shooting

Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:55 am

I think they''ll go the Tax route, make ammo so expensive nobody will be able to afford it. I heard some congressman already mention this, something about "a Gun is just a club without bullets".
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:03 am

freetown fred wrote:Kinda off topic, but, what do you think could of been done to prevent that terrible situation--keep the facts exactly as they were posted. My thoughts?? NOTHING--it sucked!


Well Fred if I'm the school director at this point I'm looking at multiple double entryways with an armed guard in the middle manning a metal detector that everyone must pass through; the principal, teachers, students, *limited* service personnel. The section of the school for students and teachers will have it's own entryway and be inaccessible to anyone unless you're a student, a teacher or essential service personnel. If you're not any of those people you don't belong there. Parents or anyone else visiting the school will enter through another entry way Every person that can be eliminated during school hours will be, deliveries will only be accepted when school is not in session. Maintenance will be done at night.

I had to pick my niece up recently at the school because she was sick and they had something similar in place but in reality it was a joke. You entered a door into foyer and they had bullet proof looking glass deal where you could pass stuff to the personnel inside. There was a very formidable door that was opened by buzzing you in. That's all well and good but while I was standing there waiting two people people went through that door so that is a failure.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:17 am

Ed.A wrote:I think they''ll go the Tax route, make ammo so expensive nobody will be able to afford it. I heard some congressman already mention this, something about "a Gun is just a club without bullets".


Then the black market for ammo would be formed. And also the criminals would just steal what they need and can't get just like the moron did on Friday. All they have to do is know who has a stock pile. It won't help.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 am

homecomfort wrote:when the constitution was written to include the right to bear arms, it is unlikely the gun technology available back then would make it possible for one or two jerks to kill dozens of people in a few seconds. possible the 2nd. amendment needs,,, amending.



They already made murder illegal. And it is already illegal to possess a firearm near or on school property. So what laws or amendments do you think the criminals will follow?
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:34 am

I remember my father telling me at a very early age that laws are for those that choose to obey them & locks keep honest people honest. I keep asking myself--if this mother knew her son was whacked, how could he possibly of gotten to those guns if she in fact had them in,persay, a gun safe---you don't get into them unless you know the combination.She had one handgun worth $600.00--I'm sure she could of afforded a secure storage system. I'm sorry, but I put this whole sad fiasco back on the home/ mother & ultimatly--one screwed up kid. No excuses are acceptable here.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:42 am

Flyer5 wrote:
Then the black market for ammo would be formed.


Yep, there is a growing black market for cigarettes now because of taxes.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:02 am

As more comes out today they said that she was indeed a gun enthusiast being a single mom, she most likely had at least one gun on hand like most do. Being honest I would think most kids know or at the very least where a key or what a combination may be, if he gets the first gun it may be it was used to get access to the others either before or after the mother was dead. I personally don't think everything is preventable, what some are already doing around Pittsburgh is hiring retired state police as armed guards (probably have to get rid of a teacher or two) everyone complains about the airports but now basically the same thing is OK for schools. Maybe a safer way would be to build large prison communities where "good people" can live & allow the bad people to roam free & kill each other off. We are becoming a society that is surrendering our way of life to the criminally insane rather than putting a "label" on someone that needs help & providing that, there used to be many places where people would go & some were helped & others would stay but that was deemed a waste of money so they opened the doors & shut most down & built many more prisons instead.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:03 am

It sounds counterproductive but the answer may be to get rid of gun free zones. I am not sure.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:25 am

I think that getting rid of the gun free zones would be a step in the right direction. I also think there are going to have to be many steps that hopefully will be well thought out & all lead in the same direction.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:27 am

The question is "why" did this happen? Where does that answer lay? Do we start with the individual and work from there? What we will find is a variety of reasons behind our questions....excuses to some are answers to others....it really depends on how we process the information at hand....we can plan for the inevitable...we may even be able to stop it....but, in hindsight we need to find some answer that will satisfy what each of us determine as prevention...the answer is not clear at this point! The answer may be from the divine, philosophical, theory, science, ideology, sociology, psychology, psychiatry, etc...
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:42 am

Northern Maine wrote:The question is "why" did this happen? Where does that answer lay? Do we start with the individual and work from there? What we will find is a variety of reasons behind our questions....excuses to some are answers to others....it really depends on how we process the information at hand....we can plan for the inevitable...we may even be able to stop it....but, in hindsight we need to find some answer that will satisfy what each of us determine as prevention...the answer is not clear at this point!



I agree to this being the answer from a prevention standpoint . But it gets very very complicated as far a detaining someone or labeling them. Almost an impossible task. Until we can prevent it 100% there needs to be something done to limit it from being able to get to this number of casualties or victims. The other is the media needs to stop giving these incidents as much coverage as they do. They almost glorify acts such as this to an unstable person. Like was posted in another thread they gather as much info right or incorrect just to fill the airwaves with the story. It should be that they report the story on the information that they know to be fact then as more facts come out have an update. The news media has had 24hr coverage since the shooting occurred most of which is just fill and theories. Let the parents have there peace and be allowed to morn without it being brought up so much. The only thing this does is gives the copy cats and mentally unstable the ideas.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:44 am

Flyer5 wrote:It sounds counterproductive but the answer may be to get rid of gun free zones. I am not sure.


Not sure if this has been posted or not. This is what really happened at the mall shooting in Oregon.


http://www.easybakegunclub.com/blog/196 ... ull-S.html


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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:55 am

Flyer5 wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:The question is "why" did this happen? Where does that answer lay? Do we start with the individual and work from there? What we will find is a variety of reasons behind our questions....excuses to some are answers to others....it really depends on how we process the information at hand....we can plan for the inevitable...we may even be able to stop it....but, in hindsight we need to find some answer that will satisfy what each of us determine as prevention...the answer is not clear at this point!



I agree to this being the answer from a prevention standpoint . But it gets very very complicated as far a detaining someone or labeling them. Almost an impossible task. Until we can prevent it 100% there needs to be something done to limit it from being able to get to this number of casualties or victims. The other is the media needs to stop giving these incidents as much coverage as they do. They almost glorify acts such as this to an unstable person. Like was posted in another thread they gather as much info right or incorrect just to fill the airwaves with the story. It should be that they report the story on the information that they know to be fact then as more facts come out have an update. The news media has had 24hr coverage since the shooting occurred most of which is just fill and theories. Let the parents have there peace and be allowed to morn without it being brought up so much. The only thing this does is gives the copy cats and mentally unstable the ideas.

I agree...but the media only gives us what we seek...theory! and....what dreams may come!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:03 am

freetown fred wrote:I remember my father telling me at a very early age that laws are for those that choose to obey them & locks keep honest people honest. I keep asking myself--if this mother knew her son was whacked, how could he possibly of gotten to those guns if she in fact had them in,persay, a gun safe---you don't get into them unless you know the combination.She had one handgun worth $600.00--I'm sure she could of afforded a secure storage system. I'm sorry, but I put this whole sad fiasco back on the home/ mother & ultimatly--one screwed up kid. No excuses are acceptable here.

i agree with u fred and another thought is to build small bunker rooms in each class room poured block walls steel lined outside that the kids can run to in a hurry, also have school wide panic buttons in EVERY room and have perodic drills, like fire drills.shooter ain't going to shoot up an empty room..also those that can qualify be armed ....
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:10 am

Flyer5 wrote:It sounds counterproductive but the answer may be to get rid of gun free zones. I am not sure.


In the case of school you have a gun free zone inside the school itself. Who's to say some teacher or custodian isn't the next shooter?
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