Connecticut Shooting

Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:45 pm

"That was my thought, these guys kill kids to pets every day" that ain't right grumpy. I agree that posting fresh combat vets in a school is a real stupid idea, but to make a statement like that??? :(
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Hey Richard, I resembled that remark many, many, many years ago & I can honestly say I don't think I would have made a good fit for a job like that. Not to say that others might be good just being honest with myself. :doh: :surrender: I don't know much about how much time is being spent on bringing these guys back to civilian life but I was machine gunning on the day I left for home, got discharged next day or same (don't recall how the timeline went) & a short time after that & finding my own way home I was sitting at the old hangout listening to some punk talking crap on vets. Just glad there were no charges brought up, it ain't always an easy transition. :oops:
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:56 pm

freetown fred wrote:"That was my thought, these guys kill kids to pets every day" that ain't right grumpy. I agree that posting combat vets in a school is a real stupid idea, but to make a statement like that??? :(


Fred, It's true, know how I know that? I have seen the videos the service men post on youtube. When an IED goes off there orders are to shoot anything that moves, even kids and pets because they may be carrying bombs. Yes it's sad but that is whats going on, and thats why they come home so screwed up. Or commit suicide. :cry:
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:18 pm

And I've spoken with a dozen or so local kids that have done multiple tours. What you're watching is not the norm--wouldn't get enough viewers to attract the hits. As far as the suicides, granted unfortunate, but the Hero's returning home & getting back to the normalcy of family & life don't attract any media attention--no money in all that. That's what's sad. Orders are, 86 anything that appears to be a threat.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:54 pm

Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:01 pm

Ed.A wrote:Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.


Do the people I know who did multiple tours and who all report anger, depression, and other mental health issues trump your anecdotes?

You're right, people handle things differently. How do you tell them apart and what happens if you miss one and put him in charge of a few hundred small children?
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:18 pm

jpete wrote:
Ed.A wrote:Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.


Do the people I know who did multiple tours and who all report anger, depression, and other mental health issues trump your anecdotes?

You're right, people handle things differently. How do you tell them apart and what happens if you miss one and put him in charge of a few hundred small children?


I dunno JPete...why do you know so many who can't handle it?... maybe your friends are weak? Maybe you make $h!t up just to justify you're points.... you are one strange dude. Seriously I'm glad you got Chaffee to look after you....cuz I'm thinking you need looking after.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:29 pm

All I said was my experience, because of many of us Nam vets the troops are treated differently but it's still hard to go from 100% down to a crawl, some people can take a do nothing job like that & handle it well I wasn't one. That's all I was referring to myself, thank God things have gotten better for the returning vets, we have finally learned something from past mistakes.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:04 pm

Ed.A wrote:
I dunno JPete...why do you know so many who can't handle it?... maybe your friends are weak? Maybe you make $h!t up just to justify you're points.... you are one strange dude. Seriously I'm glad you got Chaffee to look after you....cuz I'm thinking you need looking after.


I don't have any friends. I just know people here and there. Co workers and such. Maybe you make *censored* up to justify your points. I guess we'll never know.

I'm not sure what's strange about pointing out the fact that just because you know a few people who seem to be handling things(would they tell you if they weren't) that doesn't mean ALL veterans are handling and the high rate of soldier suicides seems to indicate that there are a lot of them that aren't doing so well.

And don't worry about Chafee, his time is limited. All the state workers elected him in a three way race and then he stabbed them all in the back. He ain't looking after me. He's got enough trouble keeping up with his drunk, woman abusing son. RI's own little Kennedy.....
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: North Candlewood On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:07 pm

Many of us have friends and family who have looked after our freedoms for generations.
Many have friends & families who look after our daily safety.
Newtown is very close to us, with friends who live and work there.
Olivia Engel is the daughter of my oldest sons good friends.
I expect all of you have heard her name by now.
We as a community nation and world need to look after the children.
Maybe and yes maybe some sense can be made of all of this.
I grew up with a grandfather who was put in the Hall of Fame for his Skeet shooting skills.
A father who rode two B class bombers to the ground in Italy and was severely burned from the last one.
A Marine officer brother and sister who hunted and shot skeet and trap.
Some of my children have permit to carry and we have 200 yards for practice.
We are and family who are educated in the proper use of fire arms.
My beliefs are very mixed at this time being so close to this subject Connecticut Shooting.
We all can debate the gun control issue, politics and any other topic knowing we all will not agree united.
I do believe we all will be united on the one thing this topic is about the senseless loss of lives in Newtown.
God Bless the Families of the Newtown Tragedy.
God Bless America
God Bless all of You
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:14 pm

Nice NC.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:56 am

Ed.A wrote:Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.


Ed, just so it's clear I'm not suggesting excluding vets from these types of jobs. Certainly those with military experience and actual combat experience would be the best qualified in situations that required action, that's the upside. My point is the root cause of these shootings is mental instability and it seems counter productive to me to target a group of people that are more likely to be mentally unstable than the general population.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:36 am

My aggravation over all this we need more gun laws BS is. We don't properly apply or enforce the ones we currently have mostly because there are so many that are different town by town and state by state. More gun laws are not going to help, and they didn't prevent what has already happened. The laws that should have prevented this were already in place and ignored. That's what criminals do!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:44 am

Flyer5 wrote:My aggravation over all this we need more gun laws BS is. We don't properly apply or enforce the ones we currently have mostly because there are so many that are different town by town and state by state. More gun laws are not going to help, and they didn't prevent what has already happened. The laws that should have prevented this were already in place and ignored. That's what criminals do!


More gun laws are BS! Enforcement on current laws are a matter of $$ and manpower. Universal laws are not acceptable because many don't want the fed involved....
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:52 am

Northern Maine wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:My aggravation over all this we need more gun laws BS is. We don't properly apply or enforce the ones we currently have mostly because there are so many that are different town by town and state by state. More gun laws are not going to help, and they didn't prevent what has already happened. The laws that should have prevented this were already in place and ignored. That's what criminals do!


More gun laws are BS! Enforcement on current laws are a matter of $$ and manpower. Universal laws are not acceptable because many don't want the fed involved....




That was my point. We can't enforce the abundance of laws we have now. They need to do surgery not look for a band-aid.
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