Connecticut Shooting

Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:54 am

Flyer5 wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:My aggravation over all this we need more gun laws BS is. We don't properly apply or enforce the ones we currently have mostly because there are so many that are different town by town and state by state. More gun laws are not going to help, and they didn't prevent what has already happened. The laws that should have prevented this were already in place and ignored. That's what criminals do!


More gun laws are BS! Enforcement on current laws are a matter of $$ and manpower. Universal laws are not acceptable because many don't want the fed involved....




That was my point. We can't enforce the abundance of laws we have now. They need to do surgery not look for a band-aid.


You speak the truth! ;)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:06 am

I've got to question the statement about Vets being more likely to be mentally unstable compared to the general population. It's neither here nor there, but I believe that impression is fed by a real biased media that will take any small amount of news & build it up into an unrealistic perspective due to their need to attract readers/viewers. I repeat, that the 98% of returning Vets that get back to the business of living life on lifes terms does not draw readers/viewers. Just an old farmers thoughts that also happens to be a Vietnam combat Vet. I think Dave hits the gun laws joke right on the money.
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Ed.A wrote:Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.


Ed, just so it's clear I'm not suggesting excluding vets from these types of jobs. Certainly those with military experience and actual combat experience would be the best qualified in situations that required action, that's the upside. My point is the root cause of these shootings is mental instability and it seems counter productive to me to target a group of people that are more likely to be mentally unstable than the general population.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:14 am

freetown fred wrote:I've got to question the statement about Vets being more likely to be mentally unstable compared to the general population. It's neither here nor there, but I believe that impression is fed by a real biased media that will take any small amount of news & build it up into an unrealistic perspective due to their need to attract readers/viewers. I repeat, that the 98% of returning Vets that get back to the business of living life on lifes terms does not draw readers/viewers. Just an old farmers thoughts that also happens to be a Vietnam combat Vet. I think Dave hits the gun laws joke right on the money.
Richard S. wrote:
Ed.A wrote:Wait, just Fn;g Wait .....two very close friends of mine ( note VERY) are Afhgan VETS, and BOTH are Ct. SWAT team members who were there (in Newtown), who are more than capable (although they are so much better trained than to be used in general policing duties as Hall monitors) .


WTF is is up with people today? Seriuosly, I have at the very least 10 friends who are combat veterans from various tours in different countries (including South America) who display no issues. Why the in the World do people just have an inclination that everybody who comes back from war is wacked??

People handle things differently.


Ed, just so it's clear I'm not suggesting excluding vets from these types of jobs. Certainly those with military experience and actual combat experience would be the best qualified in situations that required action, that's the upside. My point is the root cause of these shootings is mental instability and it seems counter productive to me to target a group of people that are more likely to be mentally unstable than the general population.

Fred...binding twine, duct tape and fencing wire will cure the problem :rofl: Sorry had to throw in some humor~ ;)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:22 am

Not a problem. If we lose that, we got nothing. ;)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:25 am

freetown fred wrote:Not a problem. If we lose that, we got nothing. ;)


Fred..at least we could use those things to subdue if need be! ;)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:30 am

The average american has no need for a gun like the AR-15. Isn't a lever-action rifle like the Winchester model 1894 or the Marlin 336 enough?

For example, just so I was informed with the right information about the AR-15 before making this post I googled it, the search came up with hits like "AR-15 vs AK47" etc etc.

I am more anti-big-government than most, however, I see no need for anyone to own an assault rifle. Being able to spray the side of a barn with bullets is not the same as self-protection nor does it fall under your right to bear arms. I would love to drive down the back roads in a Sherman Tank like James Garner did, but a civilian should not own a tank nor an assault rifle like an AR-15 or any other brand or model thats similar.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:33 am

A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles roll
ed into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full.. The students responded with a unanimous ‘yes.’

The professor then produced two Beers from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand.The students laughed..

‘Now,’ said the professor as the laughter subsided, ‘I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things—-your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions—-and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car.. The sand is everything else—-the small stuff.

‘If you put the sand into the jar first,’ he continued, ‘there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life.

If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.

Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

Spend time with your children. Spend time with your parents. Visit with grandparents. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and mow the lawn.

Take care of the golf balls first—-the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand.

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the Beer represented. The professor smiled and said, ‘I’m glad you asked.’ The Beer just shows you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of Beers with a friend.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:36 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:The average american has no need for a gun like the AR-15. Isn't a lever-action rifle like the Winchester model 1894 or the Marlin 336 enough?

For example, just so I was informed with the right information about the AR-15 before making this post I googled it, the search came up with hits like "AR-15 vs AK47" etc etc.

I am more anti-big-government than most, however, I see no need for anyone to own an assault rifle. Being able to spray the side of a barn with bullets is not the same as self-protection nor does it fall under your right to bear arms. I would love to drive down the back roads in a Sherman Tank like James Garner did, but a civilian should not own a tank nor an assault rifle like an AR-15 or any other brand or model thats similar.


Don't take offense but the AR-15 used in this crime could not "spray the side of a barn." It's no different than many common rilfes used for deer hunting except it looks scarier. Folks who are not familiar with guns hear the term semi-automatic and think its a machine gun. One trigger pull, one round fired. I've owned one for years. I go to a local range and target shoot. Sometimes I do it with a friend for competiton. No different than going bowling. I certainly hope I would never need to consider using it to defend my home or family. But if I did I would not want to be on the other end of it. Forty some years ago, I qualified expert marksmen with an m-16 and I still hit what I aim at.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:33 am

coalkirk wrote:
EarthWindandFire wrote:The average american has no need for a gun like the AR-15. Isn't a lever-action rifle like the Winchester model 1894 or the Marlin 336 enough?

For example, just so I was informed with the right information about the AR-15 before making this post I googled it, the search came up with hits like "AR-15 vs AK47" etc etc.

I am more anti-big-government than most, however, I see no need for anyone to own an assault rifle. Being able to spray the side of a barn with bullets is not the same as self-protection nor does it fall under your right to bear arms. I would love to drive down the back roads in a Sherman Tank like James Garner did, but a civilian should not own a tank nor an assault rifle like an AR-15 or any other brand or model thats similar.


Don't take offense but the AR-15 used in this crime could not "spray the side of a barn." It's no different than many common rilfes used for deer hunting except it looks scarier. Folks who are not familiar with guns hear the term semi-automatic and think its a machine gun. One trigger pull, one round fired. I've owned one for years. I go to a local range and target shoot. Sometimes I do it with a friend for competiton. No different than going bowling. I certainly hope I would never need to consider using it to defend my home or family. But if I did I would not want to be on the other end of it. Forty some years ago, I qualified expert marksmen with an m-16 and I still hit what I aim at.


Bravo!! And as the Father of a son who has been a AR-15 (with pre-ban lower I might add) owner since he was 16yrs old I will heartily disagree with people who demand we turn certain rifles becuase they are #1 Black, #2 evil looking and 3rdly recieve awsomely bad press for no other reason than the popularity of #'s 1 and #2.

EWF, did you really do a Google search to form an opinion and post it on a board full responsible gun owners? Google "SKS" a 7.62 x 39 Semi-automatic Wooden Furniture Rifle....hrmm, not so scary becuase it doesn't display the characteristics of a AK or an AR but YET.. operates the exact same way..and was never included in the Federal Assault Weapons Ban for that exact Reason,
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:47 am

coalkirk wrote:
EarthWindandFire wrote:The average american has no need for a gun like the AR-15. Isn't a lever-action rifle like the Winchester model 1894 or the Marlin 336 enough?

For example, just so I was informed with the right information about the AR-15 before making this post I googled it, the search came up with hits like "AR-15 vs AK47" etc etc.

I am more anti-big-government than most, however, I see no need for anyone to own an assault rifle. Being able to spray the side of a barn with bullets is not the same as self-protection nor does it fall under your right to bear arms. I would love to drive down the back roads in a Sherman Tank like James Garner did, but a civilian should not own a tank nor an assault rifle like an AR-15 or any other brand or model thats similar.


Don't take offense but the AR-15 used in this crime could not "spray the side of a barn." It's no different than many common rilfes used for deer hunting except it looks scarier. Folks who are not familiar with guns hear the term semi-automatic and think its a machine gun. One trigger pull, one round fired. I've owned one for years. I go to a local range and target shoot. Sometimes I do it with a friend for competiton. No different than going bowling. I certainly hope I would never need to consider using it to defend my home or family. But if I did I would not want to be on the other end of it. Forty some years ago, I qualified expert marksmen with an m-16 and I still hit what I aim at.

boy do i ever agree with this up here in the woods where i live it can take up to 1 hour before state police arrive believe me i will try my best to survive till help gets here...and the resourses are readily available...evil doers think twice...
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:15 am

buffalo bob wrote:boy do i ever agree with this up here in the woods where i live it can take up to 1 hour before state police arrive believe me i will try my best to survive till help gets here...and the resourses are readily available...evil doers think twice...



Yep its the same here. Neighbors watch for neighbors.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:25 am

Here's an idea, what if the Government offered $ 500.00 dollars to anyone that turned in a semi-auto/assault rifle good toward the purchase of a (5-shot or less) standard shotgun or rifle.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:34 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Here's an idea, what if the Government offered $ 500.00 dollars to anyone that turned in a semi-auto/assault rifle good toward the purchase of a (5-shot or less) standard shotgun or rifle.


... a decent semi auto rifle is uber dollars and with all the talk of banning them they are going to go through the roof. the only thing you'd get off the street is broken junk.

Which of these need to be banned?

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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:35 am

$500?????? You have no idea how much these things cost do you? Just the sights on some are more then that. You need to do some research about the things mentioned in previous posts. The cost itself is prohibitive or I would have one.

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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:37 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Here's an idea, what if the Government offered $ 500.00 dollars to anyone that turned in a semi-auto/assault rifle good toward the purchase of a (5-shot or less) standard shotgun or rifle.



No disrespect but. Why? What will that do even if some people went for it? Will that stop mass executions?
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