Connecticut Shooting

Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:07 am

homecomfort wrote:when the constitution was written to include the right to bear arms, it is unlikely the gun technology available back then would make it possible for one or two jerks to kill dozens of people in a few seconds. possible the 2nd. amendment needs,,, amending.

I would have to strongly disagree. At the time the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were drafted and approved there was no limitation on the type or amount of armament/artillery that the private individual could own. You as a private citizen could, if financially able, own a cannon. The most deadly and destructive weapon of the day. Just think of the carnage a cannon shooting an explosive shell into a one room wooden school building of the time would cause. How about the killing power of a cannon shooting grape shot into a schoolyard full of children. I do not believe that the founding fathers would have not known of the destructive potential of the armament/artillery they just guaranteed the common citizen could possess. The defect seems to be with the organic element and not the inanimate object or the precept that a citizen should be able to defend them self against a enemy large or small. I would have to concede that they may not have considered the repercussions of the average citizen possessing a nuclear device.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:19 am

DieselBob wrote:
homecomfort wrote:when the constitution was written to include the right to bear arms, it is unlikely the gun technology available back then would make it possible for one or two jerks to kill dozens of people in a few seconds. possible the 2nd. amendment needs,,, amending.

I would have to strongly disagree. At the time the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were drafted and approved there was no limitation on the type or amount of armament/artillery that the private individual could own. You as a private citizen could, if financially able, own a cannon. The most deadly and destructive weapon of the day. Just think of the carnage a cannon shooting an explosive shell into a one room wooden school building of the time would cause. How about the killing power of a cannon shooting grape shot into a schoolyard full of children. I do not believe that the founding fathers would have not known of the destructive potential of the armament/artillery they just guaranteed the common citizen could possess. The defect seems to be with the organic element and not the inanimate object or the precept that a citizen should be able to defend them self against a enemy large or small. I would have to concede that they may not have considered the repercussions of the average citizen possessing a nuclear device.



Perhaps Homecomfort should read the book Unintended Consequences.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:22 am

As time goes on and the correct information comes out.

Autopsy on the twenty children showed that each child ages from 5 to 7 years old were hit with three to eleven bullets each.

All of the bullets recovered from the bodies shot by Adam Lanza was shot by him using a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle at close range to kill children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday.

The weapons that police recovered from the scene included a Glock 9-mm handgun, a Sig Sauer 9-mm handgun and a Bushmaster rifle. Police also found .223 shell casings. Lanza was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

Based on the Sandy Hook school directory, all the kids killed were in the first grade and were in two classrooms.

In one class, 15 of the 16 students listed were killed. In the other class, five of the 16 students died along with their teacher, Victoria Soto. Also, nine of the deceased students have siblings in the school.

Courtesy of ABC News:

Charlotte Bacon, 6

Daniel Barden, 7

Rachel Davino, 29

Olivia Engel, 6

Josephine Gay, 7

Ana Marquez-Greene, 6

Dylan Hockley, 6

Dawn Hocksprung, 47

Madeline Hsu, 6

Catherine Hubbard, 6

Chase Kowalski, 7

Jesse Lewis, 6

James Mattioli, 6

Grace McDonnell, 7

Anne Marie Murphy, 52

Emilie Parker, 6

Jack Pinto, 6

Noah Pozner, 6

Caroline Previdi, 6

Jessica Rekos, 6

Avielle Richman, 6

Lauren Russeau, 30

Mary Sherlach, 56

Victoria Soto, 27

Benjamin Wheeler, 6

Allison Wyatt, 6

And this from the AP:

All six adults killed at the school were women. Of the 20 children who were shot to death, eight were boys and 12 were girls. All the children were ages 6 or 7.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:44 am

Makes me wonder why the story suddenly changed. Now the rifle WAS used ..... :gee: :confused:

I don't trust this media as far as I can throw them.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:39 pm

SMITTY wrote:Makes me wonder why the story suddenly changed. Now the rifle WAS used ..... :gee: :confused:

I don't trust this media as far as I can throw them.


The story was corrected, as things have settled down and reporters are not seizing on every rumor heard in the chaos and reporting them as fact.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:09 pm

It just hit home. The phone rang and we get a recorded message about a possible threat in the school district that my 5yr old daughter goes. It goes on to say there was a 3hr interrogation and an investigation has been done and there does not seem to be any threat and State police will be there if needed and necessary. This was supposed to be planned for the 21st.

So why don't I feel like enough is being done? I will have to find out more but my confidence of them to handle things properly diminishes. So do I keep her home that day or do I trust the school that they are doing everything properly. I always try to not be the overprotective parent , but.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:16 pm

Flyer5 wrote:It just hit home. The phone rang and we get a recorded message about a possible threat in the school district that my 5yr old daughter goes. It goes on to say there was a 3hr interrogation and an investigation has been done and there does not seem to be any threat and State police will be there if needed and necessary. This was supposed to be planned for the 21st.

So why don't I feel like enough is being done? I will have to find out more but my confidence of them to handle things properly diminishes. So do I keep her home that day or do I trust the school that they are doing everything properly. I always try to not be the overprotective parent , but.


Was this a test of the system or the real thing? :shock:
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:17 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:It just hit home. The phone rang and we get a recorded message about a possible threat in the school district that my 5yr old daughter goes. It goes on to say there was a 3hr interrogation and an investigation has been done and there does not seem to be any threat and State police will be there if needed and necessary. This was supposed to be planned for the 21st.

So why don't I feel like enough is being done? I will have to find out more but my confidence of them to handle things properly diminishes. So do I keep her home that day or do I trust the school that they are doing everything properly. I always try to not be the overprotective parent , but.


Was this a test of the system or the real thing? :shock:



Real thing!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:20 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:It just hit home. The phone rang and we get a recorded message about a possible threat in the school district that my 5yr old daughter goes. It goes on to say there was a 3hr interrogation and an investigation has been done and there does not seem to be any threat and State police will be there if needed and necessary. This was supposed to be planned for the 21st.

So why don't I feel like enough is being done? I will have to find out more but my confidence of them to handle things properly diminishes. So do I keep her home that day or do I trust the school that they are doing everything properly. I always try to not be the overprotective parent , but.


Was this a test of the system or the real thing? :shock:



Real thing!


DAMN! :sick: Do what your gut tells you!
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:24 pm

I am pissed off because I got a recorded message telling me this. For what we are paying these people to do there freakin job ya think someone can answer questions on a Sunday for something this serious. Cannot get any answers till tomorrow.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:27 pm

Remember, the question was asked. This situation must NEVER be forgotten, but it must be gotten over,QUICKLY, it's like gettin thrown off a horse. Insulation from the real world is never the answer. I'm sure the schools will have every available resource at their disposal. As far as your last comment--remember, we/YOU are the ones that have been in favor of all this automated crap. (not pickin on you Dave)
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:29 pm

Keep her home.
1. for 100% confidence that she is safe.
2.for to make a point.
3. for to make a point
4. for to make a point........

the time has come to make a point :!: :!: :!:
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:31 pm

PE, what would THE point be--am I familiar with that school district?????
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:39 pm

Flyer5 wrote:It just hit home. The phone rang and we get a recorded message about a possible threat in the school district that my 5yr old daughter goes. It goes on to say there was a 3hr interrogation and an investigation has been done and there does not seem to be any threat and State police will be there if needed and necessary. This was supposed to be planned for the 21st.

So why don't I feel like enough is being done? I will have to find out more but my confidence of them to handle things properly diminishes. So do I keep her home that day or do I trust the school that they are doing everything properly. I always try to not be the overprotective parent , but.

Probably some nut playing on the end of time/Mayan calendar crap. If it where me and they had gone to the extent to send out an alert I would not hesitate to keep my children home that day. Being overprotective and being prudent are two different objectives.
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Re: Connecticut Shooting

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:43 pm

freetown fred wrote:PE, what would THE point be--am I familiar with that school district?????


THE point is to get UNITY in Numbers of Real concerned PARENTS. who have decided to give a crap by saying enough is enough of trusting those in charge to do THE RIGHT THING instead of the "within the budget" thing...... ;)

obviously the mass electronic thing is budget oriented....
funny how i can get zillions of calls about who to vote for......

just How Important IS IT???? ;)
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