Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:23 pm

Damn, I wish I had some extra cash. I'd definitely be heading to the gun store tomorrow.

Yep, they are going to go all out for gun bans now !!!
I bet there will be a tremendous mad dash on hi cap weaponry in the next few days before the next "executive order" comes out.

Grumpy posted a link where Michigan legislators just approved a new law to allow more citizens to carry concealed. But it comes with requirements for training and those who want to carry in or near schools will need even more additional training. BRAVO !!!!!! I'm not a fan of requirements to do what our second amendment allows, but so be it.



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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:26 pm

I'm totally broke, especially after my mag purchase. I can't pass up a deal of $110 for lowers - I may buy 2, because after what I am convinced is coming, I'll be able to sell them for 5x that.

Maybe sell the Blazer for some cash ..... :gee:
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:02 pm

You better not sell the Blazer, crap SMITTY, there's a little of a bunch of us in the old bitch. ;)
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:19 pm

I think the only gun control that's needed is by not being afraid of offending anyone & keeping guns away from those that shouldn't have them. All these young men of late seem to have limited social skills in common, if someone seems to want a gun way too bad then don't sell it to them, parents have to know if their children aren't quite right & make sure there is no access to their guns even if they have to remove them from their home for awhile. I can see closing the ease of selling without background checks at gun shows, in my business I sold many guns & always did it with at the very least paper work even when Pa. laws didn't require it & the hand guns always had the waiting period & background check even when I was offered more than asking price, it was CYOA in my book.
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 pm

I just want to say, I don't own any firearms. But I completely agree with whomever said in the other thread that to stop violence is to use violence. I am against all forms of gun control. It obviously does not work. I have always wanted a gun. I don't necessarily have a reason why I've never bought one. However, in recent years I've been considering it and in the past few months I've gone and looked at several guns. My wife on the other hand is of the mindset that if a gun is left on the table it will get up, walk outside, go to the neighbors house and shoot everyone. We've discussed bringing guns into our home and while she is leary on the idea she is ok with it. As of yet, I've not applied for my license nor purchased a gun; it is on the proverbial to-do list. I've been saying for years everyone should be armed and I agree that had some of the staff at the school today were armed things may have turned out differently.
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: Rwalker On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 pm

It does start at home. Plain and simple. Parenting correctly from the day they are born will determine if the child becomes a wolf or a sheepdog. Wolves arent born...they are made. Shaped and formed in homes with 2 working parents, dads who dont give a *censored*, who drink until 12, miss school and sports functions, and make it seem that it is all ok because he buys little Johnny a new game system or Iphone. Everytime I watch a show about kids who are out of control it makes me want to slap the living hell out of the parent. We just watched a Discovery ID show about a 15 year old daughter who fell for an older boy and got into drugs. Mom said no, so the daughter held her down while the boyfriend slit her throat and dumped her body. They then went across 6 states spending the mom's money and using her credit cards. As sad as it is, the mom CREATED the very monster that killed her.

The same may hold true in this case. We may never know.

There are better ways to control guns, but lets face it, it will only control guns for us legal gun buyers. I once had an inmate tell me he could get me any gun I wanted in 2 hours on the streets. I said, what about a fully auto machine gun? He said give him 2 and a half hours and $300 and it would be a done deal. These maniacs are not responsible CCW permit owners and gun owners. They are the 1%. The nuts. The wolves hell bent on the destruction of all that is good with whatever means they can find. Whether it be a car bomb like Oklahoma City or airplanes like 09/11, evil will find a way. The only stop to it is to meet it face to face with swift violence. Flight 93 crashed 2 hours from my front door because Americans decided to not let evil have the final say. They stood up and fought like hell, possibly saving 1000s more lives.

So we, the Patriots, the sheepdogs, must continue to be ever vigilant to assure that things like this DO NOT happen. Of all the negative we hear, we never hear about the positive. We never hear the stories of the families that are saved when a home intruder is shot dead. We never hear about the rape that was stopped by the woman carrying a .380. We dont get to hear those stories because the dont cause the uproar that these negative stories do.

Do your part. Carry your weapon, train on your weapon, prepare your mind and body and spirit for war. I always loved the phrase, and use it often, In times of peace, prepare for war. Always be ready for war my friends, and teach your family the same. If we do this, if we never walk out of our front doors witout our guns on our hips, we will be winning the war over the wolf. If we teach our children the same values, we will save lives down the road.
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:05 pm

This is worth seeing.


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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:23 am

Rick 386 wrote:Grumpy posted a link where Michigan legislators just approved a new law to allow more citizens to carry concealed. But it comes with requirements for training and those who want to carry in or near schools will need even more additional training. BRAVO !!!!!! I'm not a fan of requirements to do what our second amendment allows, but so be it.
Rick


i own guns and will not be giving them up and will probably buy a couple more but i am definitely a fan of the training requirement mentioned above. if you think about your last trip to walmart and the people you saw there you can see my reason for this opinion. i have only been in walmart a few times in my life, but i have seen the lowest common denominator of our society fully on display there and would hope those are the types to be weeded out.

i also think there should be some kind of training before selling a handgun to someone even if they don't carry. I know enough people that have them at home and have no idea how to use them. one lives across the street from me and i will not be surprised to get the call some night that she shot herself by mistake or shot her husband thinking he was a burglar.

regarding the teachers carrying in school... in our elementary school i knew the staff very well when my kid was there and there was one person i would have had confidence in carrying a gun and she was an ex-army chopper pilot. of all the others, maybe 2 could have been trained, but most of them would have probably shot themselves or a kid as easily as the bad guy. My MIL works at another elem school in the area and says the same thing about the staff there, maybe 1 person capable. I suppose if the shooter knew there is a chance that the teachers were carrying it might change their mind about attacking the schools, but these guys seem to be on such a suicide mission I am not sure it would change their approach.
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:49 am

So whats the solution, do nothing and let it keep happening? Pass more gun control, it don't work. In the link I posted, putting guns in schools, yeah, I don't like the idea because it should not be necessary. However this crime is on the rise. Turn the TSA loose in the schools, no. I don't want that. BUT having trained people armed, concealed, may help stop some nut case.

It has happened before but you did not see it on the news.

Watch the news today? They took the blame off of this nut and put it on a piece of metal.

Heres a rant for ya, does not apply to this story but it is the truth as far as hate and violence.


http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Audio/Ra ... t-guns.mp3
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PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:26 am

I spent three days at this guys house, it was pretty cool.

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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:35 am

So far Bloomburg (who has always been a nut) & maybe one or two others are the only ones on the left that have said anything about gun control. Most is coming from the right probably trying to pay back the NRA for monies spent, seems like these type of things start the buy more guns & ammo thing all over again, lots of money spent & to be made. Not saying that it isn't coming but just saying, could it be that most are starting to realize that the guns don't kill by themselves? This being America they will probably raise the prices on everything so only wealthy & criminals can afford it, used to be that kids were out running & playing until their curfew (mine was when the street lights came on) right before dark. Now kids of all ages sit there & play video games that do nothing but kill people for hours on end.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:09 am

Today in the Worcester Telegram & Gazette online, there's a poll asking whether we should see more gun control in light of the CT incident. It's 52% NO, 48% yes so far - surprising for this state! Figured 75/25 in favor.

http://cf.telegram.com/submissions/blog ... anced_poll
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:13 am

Now kids of all ages sit there & play video games that do nothing but kill people for hours on end.


If anyone actually believes a video game causes a kid to kill, they need to seriously take a look at their own parenting skills. I love to play Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Left for Dead, etc. and the kids are all in. Then they chase one another around the house with their nerf guns having gun battles. Just like WE did as kids, except we were cowboys an indians or cobs and robbers.

The word here is NEGLECT. Homes were both parents work and the kid is left alone with his own thoughts that he cant share. No outlet, so he turns to things like violent video games, drugs, sex, etc. to feed the need that he or she isnt getting somewhere else. Homes where mom and dad arent around, dad stays out all night, mom sits at home and drinks to cope. Abuses prescription drugs. On the outside it looks like the perfect picket-fence home but on the inside it is a nightmare for the child who has watched it his whole life. Never being nutured, never being loved, never being allowed to express himself in whatever outlet he wants. Then one day he snaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS91knuzoOA

The day your children are born is the day you begin to parent. Sheltering them from the cold harsh reality of the world does nothing for them. Allowing them to just exsist in your house, passing by one another like ghosts does nothing for them. You have chosen to bring a life into the world, your hobbies, your habits, your life means nothing now but to live for that child and to provide them with every single opportunity you can for them to acheive their dreams, reach their goals, and be happy. If you are too busy for that, if you are working 80 hours a week to "provide", you can forget about it. Ask most kids if they would want dad home or that new PS3. Most kids would say they would rather have dad home.

We take our kids fishing, hinking, support their sports, go to every game, every event, preach the importance of good grades, the importance of being respectful, patient, and loving. They can shoot zombies all Saturday morning if they want, I know my kids are going to do great things.
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PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:15 am

Could endless hours playing computer games the likes of Quake and its ilk be behind tragedies like this?
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Re: Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:19 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTU5lPzKvjI

I wonder how many violent video games he played??
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