Get ready - after CT, here comes gun control ....

Like everyone Nugent has a past, if he would keep his mouth shut about it possibly it would die but somehow he seems to take some kind of pride in evading the draft & then he claims how well he would do in a combat zone.

Don't know about a combat zone but I have seen him shoot, he once drew his Glock out from under a long jacket and fired three shots, I was standing right next to him and never saw the gun leave the holster, he was very fast, I however was very pissed due to my hurting ears.. but whatever , he does like to shock people I'll say that.

lsayre wrote:

homecomfort wrote:and this mass murderer had a Mother who Was a Teacher. so what is the answer?

The same as for any parent, teach proper values and morals. The problem here might just be that government controlled schools and the teachers drawn to them both reject the values and morals of generations past (pre government sponsored education).

so you are saying that the massacre was the parent, Mother's fault, and the Teachers fault, and don't forget the government, it must have somehow been their fault also.(maybe), since politics allow rampant unchecked gun availability. The Mother had her face blown off, several teachers had bullets rip through their flesh, bone and vital organs too, along with the 20 children. tell me why it was their fault?

homecomfort wrote:

lsayre wrote:

homecomfort wrote:and this mass murderer had a Mother who Was a Teacher. so what is the answer?

The same as for any parent, teach proper values and morals. The problem here might just be that government controlled schools and the teachers drawn to them both reject the values and morals of generations past (pre government sponsored education).

so you are saying that the massacre was the parent, Mother's fault, and the Teachers fault, and don't forget the government, it must have somehow been their fault also.(maybe), since politics allow rampant unchecked gun availability. The Mother had her face blown off, several teachers had bullets rip through their flesh, bone and vital organs too, along with the 20 children. tell me why it was their fault?

Its there fault because they do not follow the same ideology as the person you are confronting!

homecomfort wrote:so you are saying that the massacre was the parent, Mother's fault, and the Teachers fault, and don't forget the government, it must have somehow been their fault also.(maybe), since politics allow rampant unchecked gun availability. The Mother had her face blown off, several teachers had bullets rip through their flesh, bone and vital organs too, along with the 20 children. tell me why it was their fault?

No actually all I was saying is that a teacher must raise his/her children just as any other parent must also raise theirs, meaning there is nothing special about being a teacher. Only you could (and of course would) intentionally make a trolling attempt to spin this most fundamental concept into something else altogether. I fully expected no less of you than to do so.

lsayre wrote:

homecomfort wrote:so you are saying that the massacre was the parent, Mother's fault, and the Teachers fault, and don't forget the government, it must have somehow been their fault also.(maybe), since politics allow rampant unchecked gun availability. The Mother had her face blown off, several teachers had bullets rip through their flesh, bone and vital organs too, along with the 20 children. tell me why it was their fault?

No actually all I was saying is that a teacher must raise his/her children just as any other parent must also raise theirs. Only you could (and of course would) intentionally make a trolling attempt to spin this most fundamental concept into something else altogether.

Taking the bait and deflecting...

Northern Maine wrote:

lsayre wrote:

homecomfort wrote:so you are saying that the massacre was the parent, Mother's fault, and the Teachers fault, and don't forget the government, it must have somehow been their fault also.(maybe), since politics allow rampant unchecked gun availability. The Mother had her face blown off, several teachers had bullets rip through their flesh, bone and vital organs too, along with the 20 children. tell me why it was their fault?

No actually all I was saying is that a teacher must raise his/her children just as any other parent must also raise theirs. Only you could (and of course would) intentionally make a trolling attempt to spin this most fundamental concept into something else altogether.

Taking the bait and deflecting...

So you read more into what I said also. What do you read? And i it not 100% true that government schools are highly restricted as to what morals they can expound and/or teach (if any)? There is nothing here to deflect. There is only truth.

No actually all I was saying is that a teacher must raise his/her children just as any other parent must also raise theirs. Only you could (and of course would) intentionally make a trolling attempt to spin this most fundamental concept into something else altogether.[/quote]

Taking the bait and deflecting...[/quote]

So you read more into what I said also. What do you read? And i it not 100% true that government schools are highly restricted as to what morals they can expound and/or teach (if any)? There is nothing here to deflect. There is only truth.[/quote]
What truth is there in your opinion?

Northern Maine wrote:What truth is there in your opinion?

The truth that government run schools do not permit teachers to freely teach the same morals and values that teachers freely and openly espoused and promoted within American Schools 100 years or more ago, or even 50 years ago. Do you actually deny this? Do you see it as false? How old are you?

lsayre wrote:

Northern Maine wrote:What truth is there in your opinion?

The truth that government run schools do not permit teachers to freely teach the same morals and values that teachers openly espoused and promoted within American Schools 100 years or more ago, or even 50 years ago. Do you actually deny this? Do you see it as false?

What morals and values do you espouse that they do not teach?

Northern Maine wrote:

lsayre wrote:

Northern Maine wrote:What truth is there in your opinion?

The truth that government run schools do not permit teachers to freely teach the same morals and values that teachers openly espoused and promoted within American Schools 100 years or more ago, or even 50 years ago. Do you actually deny this? Do you see it as false?

What morals and values do you espouse that they do not teach?

Now you are merely trolling (though you were before also). Notice that I intentionally did not lead this into my specific morals (as such are irrelevant to the discussion), but you are attempting to force me to do so to fuel your trolling frenzy. It is clearly you who are the one deflecting and trying to pull a classic Alinsky like shift and blame scam here. I'm trying to make a point that teachers are not free to teach, as well as a point that teachers must raise their own as for any other parent. What point are you trying to make? I'm amazed at how you deflect and never answer, and then you claim that the deflection lies within the other party. Such is the fuel of a troll. How can you troll when such a tragedy is the issue?

What morals and values do you espouse that they do not teach?[/quote]

Now you are merely trolling (though you were before also). Notice that I intentionally did not lead this into my specific morals (as such are irrelevant to the discussion), but you are attempting to force me to do so to fuel your trolling frenzy. It is clearly you who are the one deflecting and trying to pull a classic Alinsky like shift and blame scam here. I'm trying to make a point that teachers are not free to teach, as well as a point that teachers must raise their own as for any other parent. What point are you trying to make? I'm amazed at how you deflect and never answer, and then you claim that the deflection lies within the other party. Such is the fuel of a troll. How can you troll when such a tragedy is the issue?[/quote]

Im merely asking questions that you choose not to answers and either pose questions in response or completely negate them....This is a tragedy for sure, but blaming the govt. or anyone else other than the individual is judgement at it's best and GOD is our Judge IMHO....to make sense of why it has happened is one thing, but to judge and say it happened because of ideological concepts in one's mind is plain BS

Would you profess that no ideological concept is of greater value than any other ideological concept? Or are you saying that ideology is irrelevant in all mass murder situations? Or might you profess that only the government should decide such matters? Or do you merely go blank and not profess to anything? If so, welcome to the America of today.

lsayre wrote:Would you profess that no ideological concept is of greater value than any other ideological concept? Or might you profess that only the government should decide such matters? If so, welcome to the America of today.

Simply put do you believe in GOD?

Northern Maine wrote:

lsayre wrote:Would you profess that no ideological concept is of greater value than any other ideological concept? Or might you profess that only the government should decide such matters? If so, welcome to the America of today.

Simply put do you believe in GOD?

Irrelevant trolling.

Would you profess that no ideological concept is of greater value than any other ideological concept? Or are you saying that ideology is irrelevant in all mass murder situations? Or might you profess that only the government should decide such matters? Or do you merely go blank and not profess to anything (other than that the government does not point guns at people, which is the only profession I have ever heard form you)? Do you believe in the sanctity of life itself (and notice that this is not a religious question, but rather it is rooted in the principle of non-aggression)? Can one conclude that the sanctity of life itself must be the foundational rock of morality without having ideological concepts?