The Media has Gone Too Far

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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am

This is sadly true. My parents Home Schooled my brother when he got into trouble at school and now he is so de-socialized he really struggles. He tries but then he comes across as bi-polar. I don't think he really is, but I will say this sad truth; I think Homeschooling is the prominent reason he is an embarrassment to the family.

SuperBeetle wrote:As far as the home schooling goes, I know a few people that were educated (if you want to call it that) that way. None of them have any social skills what so ever and they really don't seem to cope all that well in day to day situations. They never seem to go out and mingle with other people and like to be inside on the computer or watch the TV. Just sayin'.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:49 am

Hey Dan, what the hell is an ANGST--you guys gotta try speakin farm ENGLISH :whistle: toothy
Dann757 wrote:I stopped watching all news after the king of the mudraces got put back in power. If I see his satanic face I change the channel as fast as possible. I haven't made a political comment since the election and have to be very diligent not to get sucked in to the opposing opinions here. This comment represents a slip.

We're still recovering from the storm all over NJ. I was watching the weather radar on TV up to the second the power went out. Then with the struggle to survive and two weeks without media, I realized I didn't miss it.

Fortuneately or unfortuneatly, I had a previous conversation with a lady friend. She kind of talked me into getting a new TV. My old Sony 42" projection box was getting very faded and blurry. I ordred a 50" Samsung and it arrived a few weeks later. Popular model that was sold out at BestBuy. What a difference with HD, but it's all just shapes and colors and sounds mesmerizing my already lazy brain pan. :D
I got an old surround sound amp off Ebay which I still have to hook up. That'll be good for action/adventure movies...
I grew up without parents so I still take some degree of comfort from TV. Shows like Bonanza provided an escape from every day angst.


Thankfully, I still avoid the news, all of it. One thing that is obvious to me is the disgusting vulture-ism of the reporters, feigning sympathy and concern after a major national tragedy. And as I flip past news channels I see they're still at it every day.
We switched providers so I have more channels. Still a lot of garbage, I see some recent movies that are so obviously low budget they're not worth watching. And the tendency seems to be ever increasing violence and moral decay, I guess in the attempt to keep the populace interested. Blood, rape, murder, glorifying drug use; and subtle left wing and communist anti-Americanism seems to be increasing all the time. Madness.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:49 am

NoSmoke wrote:This is sadly true. My parents Home Schooled my brother when he got into trouble at school and now he is so de-socialized he really struggles. He tries but then he comes across as bi-polar. I don't think he really is, but I will say this sad truth; I think Homeschooling is the prominent reason he is an embarrassment to the family.

SuperBeetle wrote:As far as the home schooling goes, I know a few people that were educated (if you want to call it that) that way. None of them have any social skills what so ever and they really don't seem to cope all that well in day to day situations. They never seem to go out and mingle with other people and like to be inside on the computer or watch the TV. Just sayin'.


If that the case, then they did it wrong. I have three kids who are home schooled and none of them ever met a stranger. In fact, I often wish they weren't quite so outgoing. They are all in Boy/Cub Scouts with a troop of entirely home schooled kids as well as on a wrestling team with other home schoolers. The youngest is in training to be on gymnastics team.

I doubt you'd find a group of more outgoing kids. Do they like to play video games too? Hell yes. But the parents job is to not let them.

My cousin home schooled all three of his kids and all his friends did the same. His oldest daughter just started culinary school at Johnson & Wales on a scholarship. She speaks a couple languages and plays multiple musical instruments. She's been in cooking competitions around the country and has traveled to various places in the world because her mother is an accountant with some missionary groups.

Any chance she'd get to do that strapped to a desk 180 days a year?

And say what you will about Tim Tebow, I doubt you'd call him anti social or an embarrassment to his family.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-tebo ... 11-10?op=1

It's not home schooling that is the problem, it's parents who don't recognize the work it takes to home school a child.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:03 pm

Like I said, I was just sayin' . The home schooled people I know have no social skills and can not seem to handle everyday life situations very well. I only know one that has held a job for sometime and he has been caught sleeping and looking at *censored*. He works nights and really has very little interaction with other people. How he has kept this job is beyond me. The others work for a few weeks and then quit or just don't bother to go to work and get fired. I also know none of them could handle going to public schools with other kids for what ever reason and they were home schooled. It didn't seem to work very well from what I see.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:08 pm

Unfortunatly, the home schooled kids that I've come in contact with are not much more then clones of those doing the home schooling. In public/ parochial school kids tend to take in all the info/peer pressure & do with it what they hopefully have been raised to do. I still contend that isolation from the REAL world is possibly not the healthiest thing in the world. Isolation feeds the, my way or the highway scenario to easily. I never knew there was a home school Scout Troop, nor a wrestling team specifically for home schooled kids--& so it begins, the I'm betterer/more differenter then you other people. Not much room for conversation there except it seems with other home schooled people. Sad me thinks, but, to each his own.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:18 pm

How many of you saw this story reported in the mainstream news?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12 ... ne-bullet/
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:19 pm

Same here.

Our church has a lot of Home schoolers in it and they behave similarly. The problem is, without structure and routine, these kids grow up thinking they can go through life at their own pace. That is just not the case. Just because you got to slam out your day's schooling by noon, does not mean an employer allows for the same thing. Whether it is pacing yourself, or working a full for a full days wages, an employer expects certain tasks to be accomplished throughout the workday.

One parent at our church was adamant that Homeschooling would ensure his child's future, and yet she ended up getting pregnant at 16, having 3 kids, getting divorced and ended up being the ONE thing he was sure his daughter would NOT be. It happens in all walks of life but it this guy really placed his bet on homeschooling as being the answer.

Fortunately another local church saw the need for a Christian School and that has been a very good thing for this community. It provides help for school kids that do not fit in with a very large school district, and need one on one attention, without going to the other extreme which is home schooling, and no interaction whatsoever. There are actually foster children (Not mine though) that go to school there because the one-on-one interaction is so good. Again, it is not our church or denomination, but they are much needed in this community.

My brother who was home schooled; he joined the military, but has not really done well there. He has marksmanship skills I guess and just returned to Maine today after a tour in Afghanistan as a Sniper, he was good enough to be in the Special Forces, but socially he just has not grown up.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Think about it for a change, I'm guessing that most here if not all were not home schooled & it worked out fairly well. Why not just return schools with discipline & teachers that can actually do their job the way that they find works best for them & their students. The developed social skills were for a good part all from having friends at school & school activities, if your last couple of cars were all lemons do you go to a horse & buggy or try a different make, fix what we have & hopefully unintentionally screwed up.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:17 pm

samhill wrote:Think about it for a change, I'm guessing that most here if not all were not home schooled & it worked out fairly well. Why not just return schools with discipline & teachers that can actually do their job the way that they find works best for them & their students. The developed social skills were for a good part all from having friends at school & school activities, if your last couple of cars were all lemons do you go to a horse & buggy or try a different make, fix what we have & hopefully unintentionally screwed up.


The government won't allow teachers to do what works.

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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:12 pm

That's the problem, it's not the Gov. it's us we are We The People, we are the Gov. if We speak loudly enough We can change it.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:23 pm

samhill wrote:That's the problem, it's not the Gov. it's us we are We The People, we are the Gov. if We speak loudly enough We can change it.


We are not the government. We aren't even close to the government.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:26 pm

So you post a video of a quitter that rather then stand by his convictions, he took his ball & ran back home. What a drama queen., and this guy impressed you? I think everyone that shared their feelings about home schooling also made it clear that each individual family has the right to choose what they do with their kids education wise. Most of the teachers in this district make learning a positive experience for our kids, they don't quit because things don't seem to go their way. Yes, we also have a few slugs like I percieve that guy to be & hopefully they will quit also & make room for a teacher that's able to stay within the guidelines while still motivating their students.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:08 pm

freetown fred wrote:So you post a video of a quitter that rather then stand by his convictions, he took his ball & ran back home. What a drama queen., and this guy impressed you? I think everyone that shared their feelings about home schooling also made it clear that each individual family has the right to choose what they do with their kids education wise. Most of the teachers in this district make learning a positive experience for our kids, they don't quit because things don't seem to go their way. Yes, we also have a few slugs like I percieve that guy to be & hopefully they will quit also & make room for a teacher that's able to stay within the guidelines while still motivating their students.


Did you watch the video? He tried to make his case in front of the school committee, they wouldn't let him speak.

15 years teaching and when disallowed from doing something he knew worked, he went someplace where they wanted his skills makes him a quitter?

Should he die on that hill?

I don't know where you live, but maybe they haven't fully embraced the "Race to the Top(Bottom)".

Last I checked, there were around 70 different languages spoken in Providence schools.

Sometimes, fitting all that into a government box is impossible.

But feel free to demonize someone doing a job neither of would do.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:16 pm

Yep, I watched it. I used to attend our School Bd meetings & my thoughts are, I would not of wanted to listen to someone whining about how they had all the correct answers & the school system was clearly screwed up. I think your board made the right decision. Life has guidelines jpete, something you apparently have a lot of problems with. Nobody is saying that the system is always right, & again, I say, do what you're comfortable with. It surely doesn't mean the other guy is wrong. I think that when someone quits a particular situation for the reasons he stated, yes, in my book he is a quitter. 15 yrs of teaching, far from makes you a good teacher. Just remember, you choose to live where you are. You either stay & help create change or, yes, you isolate/run.
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freetown fred wrote:So you post a video of a quitter that rather then stand by his convictions, he took his ball & ran back home. What a drama queen., and this guy impressed you? I think everyone that shared their feelings about home schooling also made it clear that each individual family has the right to choose what they do with their kids education wise. Most of the teachers in this district make learning a positive experience for our kids, they don't quit because things don't seem to go their way. Yes, we also have a few slugs like I percieve that guy to be & hopefully they will quit also & make room for a teacher that's able to stay within the guidelines while still motivating their students.


Did you watch the video? He tried to make his case in front of the school committee, they wouldn't let him speak.

15 years teaching and when disallowed from doing something he knew worked, he went someplace where they wanted his skills makes him a quitter?

Should he die on that hill?

I don't know where you live, but maybe they haven't fully embraced the "Race to the Top(Bottom)".

Last I checked, there were around 70 different languages spoken in Providence schools.

Sometimes, fitting all that into a government box is impossible.

But feel free to demonize someone doing a job neither of would do.
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Re: The Media has Gone Too Far

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:22 pm

freetown fred wrote:Yep, I watched it. I used to attend our School Bd meetings & my thoughts are, I would not of wanted to listen to someone whining about how they had all the correct answers & the school system was clearly screwed up. I think your board made the right decision. Life has guidelines jpete, something you apparently have a lot of problems with. Nobody is saying that the system is always right, & again, I say, do what you're comfortable with. It surely doesn't mean the other guy is wrong. I think that when someone quits a particular situation for the reasons he stated, yes, in my book he is a quitter. 15 yrs of teaching, far from makes you a good teacher. Just remember, you choose to live where you are. You either stay & help create change or, yes, you isolate/run.]



Now, you don't say "do what you are comfortable with"

You called the man names.

The guidelines are turning out retarded adults. It's time to revise the guidelines. He attempted to "help create change" as you say.

The system doesn't want to change.

My question for you is, "Should he die on that hill?"
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