Shootings and where the problem begins

Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: homecomfort On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:19 pm

it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:31 pm

hc, you got any suggestions on how to secure a school to keep this kind of stuff at bay, or do you just like bitching about your concept of what gun laws should be---"where the problem begins"
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:35 pm

homecomfort wrote:it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.


Do you think you have a right to defend yourself?

How many legal CCW holders randomly killed someone last year?
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:40 pm

I choose to carry a weapon. If you don't choose to do so that's fine by me. I hope you are never in a situation that you need to protect yourself from some wacko or violent person. I need the ability to protect myself and choose to carry a gun for that purpose.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:13 am

homecomfort wrote:it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.



I think the deadliest letters are GUN FREE ZONE.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:28 am

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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:48 am

homecomfort wrote:it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.


Yet it is all nice and sweet that alcohol kills around 76,000 and tobacco kills 6 million WORLD WIDE a year...

I hope you don't have any kids. At age 16 when you hand them your car keys you are handing them a 2000 pound weapon that kills about 40,000 Americans every year...
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:54 am

Rwalker wrote:
homecomfort wrote:it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.


Yet it is all nice and sweet that alcohol kills around 76,000 and tobacco kills 6 million WORLD WIDE a year...

I hope you don't have any kids. At age 16 when you hand them your car keys you are handing them a 2000 pound weapon that kills about 40,000 Americans every year...


The necessity of transportation would seem to be a bit more than the necessity to CCW for the average citizen. I would also speculate that the reason automobiles kill 40,000 American's a year could be due to the high numbers of them on the road. The same with smokers and drugs/alchohol deaths. The higher the number the more deaths is a reasonable assumption . Soooooo.......based on this alone, we could also reasonably speculate that the more people carring guns around......................
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:21 am

Steve, I don't want to sound to "terse" as jpete, but how many times do the statistics need to be posted? In the last 20 or 30 years the gun violence has declined! The mass shootings are at a decade long low compared to the last 2 decades! They predicted OK corral shootings when the guns laws were relaxed. It has been demonstrated to not be true. Etc. Etc. It is frustrating when you just keep making the same talking points like the media when it has been proven false.

Kevin
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:23 am

And the assault weapons ban had ZERO effect on crime and mass shootings for 10 years. There were more mass shootings in that ten year period then the last ten years.

Kevin
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:28 am

I didn't post any stats Kev, RWalker posted those. I was just using his rational in the examples where more of something generally constitutes a higher end count which in all honesty is reasonable to assume. Why would guns be any different? (Example: more fishing lines in the pond catches more fish). Didn't say anything about banning.

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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:53 am

I still believe the answer (& none would be 100%) lies in a bit of a # of things, cutting out the easy gun sales would be a big help & I personally don't think that there is a need for high capacity mags JMO, there also has to be training with every cc permit & even for weapons in general, some states have them some don't. I know I could have legally sold many guns in the gray area that Pa. has, just sit at walmart for awhile, do you want most of them to be able to carry? Heck read some of the back mostly political threads here, if in person do you think everyone would feel safe, how many would be victims of road rage? There are many pluses & there can be potentially many minuses so for once this has to be well thought out (good luck on that). I'm a multiple gun owner & have a CCL but I can wait a few or many days for a gun purchase, I really have no need or am in that big of a hurry that I can't take a second to change a clip. In the emotions of the current tragedy there are a lot of things being suggested & even done in some cases, I think that when the next school tax bill comes in that may change, there is one school where a Marine is standing guard (unarmed) but hoping that his presence in uniform will be a deterrent, there are probably many CCL & Vets that are out of work & collecting UC now, why couldn't they get together & set up times to be at local schools we are paying them with our tax dollar, just keep the lawyers out of it unless they would like to finance the venture.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:57 am

SteveZee wrote:
Rwalker wrote:
homecomfort wrote:it is a real black eye to America, that it's citizens feel that they need to "carry" deadly force to go about everyday life. life that gets ended 30+ times everyday in this country due to guns. some of those 30 may deserve to die, not 6 year olds. the deadliest letters in the alphabet are, NRA GOP.


Yet it is all nice and sweet that alcohol kills around 76,000 and tobacco kills 6 million WORLD WIDE a year...

I hope you don't have any kids. At age 16 when you hand them your car keys you are handing them a 2000 pound weapon that kills about 40,000 Americans every year...


The necessity of transportation would seem to be a bit more than the necessity to CCW for the average citizen. I would also speculate that the reason automobiles kill 40,000 American's a year could be due to the high numbers of them on the road. The same with smokers and drugs/alchohol deaths. The higher the number the more deaths is a reasonable assumption . Soooooo.......based on this alone, we could also reasonably speculate that the more people carring guns around......................


There are nearly as many guns in this country as cars. You'd think there would be bullets flying everywhere.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:09 am

You missed my point, more cars might mean more accidents, but the reverse has PROVEN to be true with guns. Crime goes down with the increase in civilian ownership. Now accidental shootings, maybe, but I would have to go look that up. More people hunting means more chances to fall out of trees, shoot yourself, shoot someone else, etc. Do we ban hunting because to many are doing it and 5 more people per 100,000 are having an accident? I think we should just ban motorcycles and grandfather the present ones and we will see the death and accident rate go down as they "crash" out. You can take this thinking anywhere to prove a point. How about ban electricity and natural gas as they kill to many people for the benefit they produce. Return to kerosene lamps and candles? Ask some real old person about that! Hey, ban Yankee candles and other such fire starters, there was a noticeable uptick in fires in homes after they became the in thing. Ban Christmas trees. Ban anything that might harm a child especially.
It would be interesting to look at the accident rate for ATV's since they banned the 3 wheelers. I bet they have increased not decreased. My cousin lost his little boy in a freak accident on a 4 wheeler and I nearly lost my sister. *censored* happens when you live your life, we are relatively fragile creatures.
Long winded, sorry, but there are no stats for people that prevent an occurrence of violence with a gun. There are no stats for the deterrent effects of guns. The MSM will NOT report an event where someone saves people with his private firearm. In fact, as we have seen, they leave these out of the reporting, to focus on the shooter/who he is/what motivates him/is he crazy/where did he get the guns/are they legal/should we have them/oh the horror.
As we have been pointing out, less guns do not mean less crime. Fewer accidents maybe and probably. If you don't like the risk don't pack or own and don't go anywhere but gun free zones(NYC or WDC or Chicago)so someone else cant shoot you. (Yeah right), I would suggest not driving or flying instead. And get out of coastal Maine, eventually there will be a massive tsunami take out Machiasport. :P

Kevin
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:15 am

Sam, for a change I agree with you. I find the hunter safety courses to be a joke. And my CCW course was a joke. But you have to be careful because regulation is another form of restriction when taken to the levels of DC or confiscation in the registration of people and the gun they have.

Kevin
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