Shootings and where the problem begins

Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:55 am

jpete wrote:
The necessity of transportation would seem to be a bit more than the necessity to CCW for the average citizen. I would also speculate that the reason automobiles kill 40,000 American's a year could be due to the high numbers of them on the road. The same with smokers and drugs/alchohol deaths. The higher the number the more deaths is a reasonable assumption . Soooooo.......based on this alone, we could also reasonably speculate that the more people carring guns around......................


There are nearly as many guns in this country as cars. You'd think there would be bullets flying everywhere.[/quote]


I would think that is down to vehicles being used a higher rate percentage wise.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:20 am

Not if you talk to HC. He thinks guns just randomly kill people.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:01 pm

SteveZee wrote:
There are nearly as many guns in this country as cars. You'd think there would be bullets flying everywhere.




I would think that is down to vehicles being used a higher rate percentage wise.[/quote]


I have my car and gun with me everyday and neither have harmed anyone. I think it comes down to personal responsibility as well.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:22 pm

I'm with you Dave--actually, when was it that another gun ran a red light or pulled out in front of another one--kind of a silly comparison. ;)
Flyer5 wrote:
SteveZee wrote:
There are nearly as many guns in this country as cars. You'd think there would be bullets flying everywhere.




I would think that is down to vehicles being used a higher rate percentage wise.



I have my car and gun with me everyday and neither have harmed anyone. I think it comes down to personal responsibility as well.[/quote]
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:32 pm

Now there ya go. Personal responsibility. Being held accountable for your actions. Earning not being given. That where the problem seems to begin.I know from personal experience that the kids/young adults of today want everything given to them and think they deserve to have it now. Sad but very true.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:44 pm

freetown fred wrote:I'm with you Dave--actually, when was it that another gun ran a red light or pulled out in front of another one--kind of a silly comparison. ;)
Flyer5 wrote:
SteveZee wrote:
There are nearly as many guns in this country as cars. You'd think there would be bullets flying everywhere.




I would think that is down to vehicles being used a higher rate percentage wise.



I have my car and gun with me everyday and neither have harmed anyone. I think it comes down to personal responsibility as well.
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It is honestly but someone posted it when someone else said guns kill people, followed by cars, airplanes, trains, and drugs and alchohol etc.etc... I agree Dave that it's about personal responsibility and I only wish everyone was as responsible as you are. Unfortunately that doesn't always seem to be the case with guns, and any of the other afore mentioned "weapons" of death. ;) We wouldn't be taking about this if that was the case.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:03 pm

SteveZee wrote:
It is honestly but someone posted it when someone else said guns kill people, followed by cars, airplanes, trains, and drugs and alchohol etc.etc... I agree Dave that it's about personal responsibility and I only wish everyone was as responsible as you are. Unfortunately that doesn't always seem to be the case with guns, and any of the other afore mentioned "weapons" of death. ;) We wouldn't be taking about this if that was the case.



I understand that but why blame everyone for the actions of 1or a few. Why isnt anybody asking why systems were not in place that could have prevented this. Were the systems that were in place followed and enforced. Kids should not die that way and that young.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:09 pm

Unfortunatly we have become a crisis oriented society that gets all wound up when something TERRIBLE happens, & then the novelty seems to wear off & very rarely are any meaningful solutions are put in to place. In this case, my suggestion is to keep it local & stay on it like a pitbull on a bone. Since 9/11--how many people are flying our Flag everyday??????
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:46 pm

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The necessity of transportation would seem to be a bit more than the necessity to CCW for the average citizen. I would also speculate that the reason automobiles kill 40,000 American's a year could be due to the high numbers of them on the road. The same with smokers and drugs/alchohol deaths. The higher the number the more deaths is a reasonable assumption . Soooooo.......based on this alone, we could also reasonably speculate that the more people carring guns around......................


As was to be expected, my point was completely missed. My point is this, the president and all of his king's horses and men aren't doing *censored* to stop alcohol, tobacco, and obesity related deaths, but after 1 shooting everyone wants to ban guns like they are the spawn of satan himself.

It is perfectly fine to shove a cheeseburger down your kid's neck, but god forbid you put your gun on your nightstand at night. I think if you feed your kid processed garbage food it should be a form of child abuse and your ass should lose your kids.

It is perfectly fine for little Johnny to watch you drink every night or chain smoke, but for the sake of all that is holy, dont give him a gun and teach him how to respect it and use it properly! Chastise me for placing my gun on the night stand at night, but my kids dont sit and watch me drink. We dont drink, or smoke.

You have something like a 1 in 3 chance of dying on the highway, but those are acceptable odds because we HAVE to drive. I mean, every 16 year old kid needs to tool around town in dad's caddy!

This is completely unproductive. Everyone is just talking and no one is listening.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:10 pm

One shooting? I think you're a little out of touch. There have been 392 school shootings alone since 1992. This has been coming for quite some time.
http://www.stoptheshootings.org/
This doesn't count Aurora, Co. (movie theatre massacre) Phoenix, Az. (Congress woman Giford shot and several other's killed) etc. etc.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:35 pm

Has anyone ever wondered why masacres happen in places where guns are banned ? Even the in fort hood shootings the only one to have a weapon was a police officer but the soldiers were unarmed. That would have been way worse.
Schools are a wonderful target for these cowards. Since Columbine theyv'e had a long time to get ready for these things. I'm always amazed when I go into my kids schools and just walk right in. Are these people just stupid, lazy or both? That for me is one big problem that can be cured.
One other suggestion I would have would be to have a yearly meeting with the officer in charge of permits in your town and go over some of the issues. Perhaps they could hold these meeting at the town hall or a venue similar.
If the officer goes over topics like proper gun storage some gun safety, new laws, it may keep folks more vigilant. Maybe this would have an impact without violating peoples 2nd amendment rights. Thats my two cents.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:41 pm

It isn't about banning guns but all about banning certain types of guns & or the high volume mags, lets face it those types of guns were made for war & the watered down knock offs are just that good for shooting a lot of rounds in a short period of time. If you shoot for accuracy your taking some time to aim, if you want to make a lot of noise or whatever else your trying to do if you have money to burn it probably is good for that but the bottom line is this type of weapon was made for killing people.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:46 pm

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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:00 pm

Outstanding ...
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:08 pm

Edit to add, Pay close attention to the woman who chimes in at 5:15 into the above video.


See her here in DC..

grumpy