Shootings and where the problem begins

Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:41 am

That's true Smitty. Deranged people will always find a way it seems. That said, do we want to make it easier for them? Bombs are not used as frequently because.................wait for it...............there aren't so many of them around!

Many people keep saying (including you)that more guns are more of deterent to violent crime. If we are going to use this logic then why are we fighting to keep nuclear waepons out of the hands of some countries? If eveybody having them is a deterent lets give them to Iran and North Korea. I think not.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:49 am

Big difference there - your talking mentally unstable leadership that wants to destroy all their enemies by having nukes ..... VS. law abiding citizens who have ZERO DESIRE to harm anyone ... and would much rather be shooting paper, cans, or bottles, being denied their GOD GIVEN and Constitutional right to self defense, just because it makes liberals feel good.

It's a dumb argument, really. It's been proven time and time again, that when you remove guns from a populace, violent crime skyrockets. What are the criminals to fear? An arrest? Never stopped them before. They tend to find easy targets. When they take a peek down a barrel of a .45, they tend to learn rather quickly.

Bottom line is this: DO NOT infringe on my rights. Take criminals off the streets - don't ban a certain weapon!

3 state mental hospitals have been closed JUST in central MA alone!! We're too politically correct to label them "crazy" ... so the alternative is to let them walk the streets!! Now THAT is the REAL issue here!!!
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:55 am

Of course you realize that, that is coming from Bloomberg &all the libbers in NYC--we unfortunatly are not yet a seperate entity. I have quite a weapon collection but no assault weapons--had my fill of them in the Nam--No matter what the outcome of all this crap, my weapons aren't going anywhere.I am a die hard believer in RESPONSIBLE gun ownership.
chester wrote:steve Zee, good news for you. New York state is now looking to ban all "assault weapons" .another loss of freedom and jack booted thugs knocking down your doors. you must be in your glory !
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:03 am

Smitty, who ordered the start of closing of all these mental hospitals across the country & the massive building of more & more prisons as an answer? Makes sense to let a known nut out of a hospital until he goes off the deep end & does whatever, then try him & find him mentally incompetent (which was already known) so depending on the crime either imprison him or let him go, all on the taxpayer dime. Pay for it now or pay for it later the little guy is still going to pay & maybe with more than tax money. When I was young there were people in school systems that were trained to recognize some of the tale tale signs, maybe that's been cut as unneccessary it's been a long time.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:03 am

SMITTY wrote:Big difference there - your talking mentally unstable leadership that wants to destroy all their enemies by having nukes ..... VS. law abiding citizens who have ZERO DESIRE to harm anyone ... and would much rather be shooting paper, cans, or bottles, being denied their GOD GIVEN and Constitutional right to self defense, just because it makes liberals feel good.

It's a dumb argument, really. It's been proven time and time again, that when you remove guns from a populace, violent crime skyrockets. What are the criminals to fear? An arrest? Never stopped them before. They tend to find easy targets. When they take a peek down a barrel of a .45, they tend to learn rather quickly.

Bottom line is this: DO NOT infringe on my rights. Take criminals off the streets - don't ban a certain weapon!

3 state mental hospitals have been closed JUST in central MA alone!! We're too politically correct to label them "crazy" ... so the alternative is to let them walk the streets!! Now THAT is the REAL issue here!!!



All good points Smitty. I reiterate that I never said anything about banning anything or any weapon. Regulation so that (as you stated) only "law abiding citizens who have no desire to hurt anyone" is able to obtain them. Of course many times these law abiding folks that don't want to hurt anyone now have an assault rifle and turn into not so law abiding citizens that do want to hurt people. You can see it in a previous post of mass shootings where 75% of the shooters obtained the weapons they used legally.

PS: this is a little off topic but, Last time I checked, God wasn't handing out weapons to you or anyone else. ;) If anyone gave you this right, it was the humans who right the laws of the Land.
PPS: Happy last day of the Mayan calendar. Hope to see you tomorrow. 8-)
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:18 am

"God" in whatever form that takes for you, gave you the "right" to Life and to defend it.

If I think I need a gun to do so, then that's the form it takes.

Feel free to talk nonsense to someone who want to kill you if you think that will do it.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:29 am

Now you're going off with your interpretation of what God wants for us--which is surely your right--just understand that it is YOUR interpretation ;) Oh yeah,for the record " ;) " that shows humor. :clap: toothy
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:39 am

freetown fred wrote:Now you're going off with your interpretation of what God wants for us--which is surely your right--just understand that it is YOUR interpretation ;) Oh yeah,for the record " ;) " that shows humor. :clap: toothy


That is exactly right Fred, my (humble) opinion just as Smitty's is his with God giving him (and Jeff) weapons. ;)
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:46 am

jpete wrote:"God" in whatever form that takes for you, gave you the "right" to Life and to defend it.

If I think I need a gun to do so, then that's the form it takes.


Now again this is only my opinion of course but based on the admittedly little I know about Christianity and their God of peace and forgivness and turning the other cheek (Oh wait that was Jesus) it sounds to me like possibly, and this is only for consideration, that the other guy Satan, or is it Lucifer, is the one handing out the weapons? But it could be Ares? ;)
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:05 pm

I'm interested to understand why some people don't think your "Creator" wouldn't give you the ability to defend the life you were given.

Obviously, some people believe it, but why others wouldn't is a mystery.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:13 pm

I believe it, but again, it's MY interpretation of what the creator is up to. This has nothing to do with weapons specifically, it has to do with desire.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 pm

http://www.boston.com/news/education/20 ... story.html

Well there ya have it! It's the video games, Hollywood movies and music that's responsible.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:32 pm

SteveZee wrote:http://www.boston.com/news/education/2012/12/21/nra-calls-for-armed-police-officer-every-school/szKGbsScZhaVP1sXxNfoIM/story.html

Well there ya have it! It's the video games, Hollywood movies and music that's responsible.

Steve is being sarcastic and I agree with him.

All the solutions put forth seem not quite to hit the mark. There still is an underlying feeling that makes us uncomfortable.

From the time I could first walk I carried A gun. Granted it was a cap gun or water pistol, but still we regularly shot each other and worked out our fantasies. We also realized that it was fantasy and we grew up to be a most law abiding generation needing far fewer police. It was also in the middle of the Great Depression with most people having far less. There were simple minded people or even outright crazy that were more visible than today. Physically deformed were also more in evidence. Kids with cleft palates come to mind and women with hunch backs. Reality was there to see. Simple black and white ideals. Rags to riches with hard work.

World War Two changed all that and idealism became cynicism after it was over. Now society was responsible and not the individual for anti social behavior. Books, movies, political thought all carried that theme. Human nature could be molded to whatever we want if only we could fix society.

History and the hundreds of studies by social anthropologists were ignored or slanted to reach politically correct conclusions. Human instinct, what it is and how it works remain a black hole. The great writers and comedians seem to have the best understanding which is why we react to them as we do. Their appeal is to an understanding deep in our bones. To something we are born with and not learned. Our basic spirit. Not our intellect.

When you see on the news Zoologists and Anthropologists being interviewed rather than psychologists you will know we are on the right track to understanding.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:36 pm

Smitty, who ordered the start of closing of all these mental hospitals across the country & the massive building of more & more prisons as an answer? Makes sense to let a known nut out of a hospital until he goes off the deep end & does whatever, then try him & find him mentally incompetent (which was already known) so depending on the crime either imprison him or let him go, all on the taxpayer dime. Pay for it now or pay for it later the little guy is still going to pay & maybe with more than tax money. When I was young there were people in school systems that were trained to recognize some of the tale tale signs, maybe that's been cut as unneccessary it's been a long tim


You are going to try to pin that on the Republicans!!!! :shock: I seem to remember something about a killer or rapist getting a pardon or such and immediately killing or raping someone. That was in Mass. I think. Only the Democrats think we need to "rehabilitate" people. Get a grip.

Kevin

maybe no one else responded because they are going to start treating you like HC with posts like that.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:42 pm

Sam - last I checked, for the past FIFTY YEARS, MA has been under the hopeless control of liberal democrats. They were STATE hospitals that closed -not NATIONAL hospitals. The state closed them, because calling someone crazy is bad. But, when they pick up a gun and mow down a bunch of kids, that was the gun's fault - not theirs for letting whackjobs out into public ( used to deal with these people all over Worcester ). Fits their agenda perfectly. :sick:
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