Shootings and where the problem begins

Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:49 pm

I keep posting in the different threads, but I am getting confused as to what I have written and what good points have been said. So with that, dicuss where this problem starts.

To me, it starts in the home. How many of you are raising boys? I am raising 3! 3 active, crazy, hyper, strong, wall bouncing boys. Right now as I type one of my twin sons pulled the other one's pants down so they are stuck on his sneakers then pushed him because he knew he would fall. Then he laughed about it. That is how boys are.

Our job as fathers is to BE FATHERS. How many of these mass killers had active dads in their lives?? A boy needs a mom in his life for sure, but he needs a dad more. A dad teaches him how to be a man, how to act like a man, how to be compassionate like a man, fearless like a man, and show love like a man. Mom cant teach that, and I see it every day at work how it affects boys.

I know what it is like. My father was never in my life as a kid. He was and is a waste of space and I learned how to NOT be a man from him. My step-father came into my life when I was in 4th grade and taught me what a man is and how a man acts.

Everyday I tell my boys I love them, I kiss them, hug them, play with them, wrestle with them, take them fishing, show them how to dig up worms, how to shoot straight, how to treat women. I am not too busy for my sons, I live for them. And they see that momma is treated like a queen. They see how I do not trust anyone and I play nice until it is time to not play nice. They have to say please, thank you, sorry, etc. They watch me secure the doors and set the alarms and put daddy's pow-pow on the night stand that they know they CANNOT touch. When one takes something from the other, I let them handle it. Sometimes it comes to blows, then I seperate them and tell them not to raise their fists unless they are prepared to used them. Make them apologize to one another and hug. I teach my older boy to always be nice and respectful until someone puts their hands on you, then it is time to handle it violently and immediately.

Violent video games dont make kids violent. Shooting does not make kids violent. Absent parents do. Always disciplining and never loving does. You cant beat a kid down and never show him love, never show him how important he is, without something snapping.

So to you dads, BE DADS. Be there. Screw the over time or the second job. Live simplier if you have to, but for god's sake BE THERE FOR YOUR KIDS!
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:55 pm

Excellent positive post!
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:30 pm

:up: :yes: Great post.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:53 pm

Rwalker wrote:I keep posting in the different threads, but I am getting confused as to what I have written and what good points have been said. So with that, dicuss where this problem starts.

To me, it starts in the home. How many of you are raising boys? I am raising 3! 3 active, crazy, hyper, strong, wall bouncing boys. Right now as I type one of my twin sons pulled the other one's pants down so they are stuck on his sneakers then pushed him because he knew he would fall. Then he laughed about it. That is how boys are.

Our job as fathers is to BE FATHERS. How many of these mass killers had active dads in their lives?? A boy needs a mom in his life for sure, but he needs a dad more. A dad teaches him how to be a man, how to act like a man, how to be compassionate like a man, fearless like a man, and show love like a man. Mom cant teach that, and I see it every day at work how it affects boys.

I know what it is like. My father was never in my life as a kid. He was and is a waste of space and I learned how to NOT be a man from him. My step-father came into my life when I was in 4th grade and taught me what a man is and how a man acts.

Everyday I tell my boys I love them, I kiss them, hug them, play with them, wrestle with them, take them fishing, show them how to dig up worms, how to shoot straight, how to treat women. I am not too busy for my sons, I live for them. And they see that momma is treated like a queen. They see how I do not trust anyone and I play nice until it is time to not play nice. They have to say please, thank you, sorry, etc. They watch me secure the doors and set the alarms and put daddy's pow-pow on the night stand that they know they CANNOT touch. When one takes something from the other, I let them handle it. Sometimes it comes to blows, then I seperate them and tell them not to raise their fists unless they are prepared to used them. Make them apologize to one another and hug. I teach my older boy to always be nice and respectful until someone puts their hands on you, then it is time to handle it violently and immediately.

Violent video games dont make kids violent. Shooting does not make kids violent. Absent parents do. Always disciplining and never loving does. You cant beat a kid down and never show him love, never show him how important he is, without something snapping.

So to you dads, BE DADS. Be there. Screw the over time or the second job. Live simplier if you have to, but for god's sake BE THERE FOR YOUR KIDS!

RW..I grew up the same as you and agree with you very much...although I am divorced....I spend every spare moment with my boys...All I can say is I pray every day that I do them RIGHT and they will do a better job than I have! Thanks for your thoughtful post!
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:54 pm

Good post but I'm not sure I'd trust my kids with my gun. And I have no real basis for that feeling. If I could shoot with them more often(or at all) I'd probably feel different but it's not like I can go out in my yard and shoot.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 pm

BINGO, its the absense of parenting and the inherent love that comes from good parenting, some parents are now raising their kids without having good parenting themselves, maybe the federal government need to enact "expected good parenting laws" before having kids...but ohhh...I'm sorry, we would'nt want to hurt anyone's liberties...especially some cultures where it's pretty common place for out of wedlock kids with the father impregnating several femalia along his meatus driven path.

So lets see...O' could enact by executive directive:

* Mandatory "being a parent" training before the state/city gov issues a wedding certificate.
* Welfare that will only pay for one out of wedlock kid. That pushes the old lady to get married.

There are holes in this logic though those can be closed, there needs to be a closed loop system where you can't escape the responsibility of good parenting.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 pm

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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:02 pm

Excellent post. I think there would be a lot less problems in general if all children grew up in the environment you just described.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:04 pm

Uglysquirrel wrote:BINGO, its the absense of parenting and the inherent love that comes from good parenting, some parents are now raising their kids without having good parenting themselves, maybe the federal government need to enact "expected good parenting laws" before having kids...but ohhh...I'm sorry, we would'nt want to hurt anyone's liberties...especially some cultures where it's pretty common place for out of wedlock kids with the father impregnating several femalia along his meatus driven path.

So lets see...O' could enact by executive directive:

* Mandatory "being a parent" training before the state/city gov issues a wedding certificate.
* Welfare that will only pay for one out of wedlock kid. That pushes the old lady to get married.

There are holes in this logic though those can be closed, there needs to be a closed loop system where you can't escape the responsibility of good parenting.


I understand what your trying to purvey...but, parenting does not come with a handbook and what is "good parenting"? Parenting is a process of learning these days. What works for some may not work for another...What works one day may not work the next...
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:20 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
Uglysquirrel wrote:BINGO, its the absense of parenting and the inherent love that comes from good parenting, some parents are now raising their kids without having good parenting themselves, maybe the federal government need to enact "expected good parenting laws" before having kids...but ohhh...I'm sorry, we would'nt want to hurt anyone's liberties...especially some cultures where it's pretty common place for out of wedlock kids with the father impregnating several femalia along his meatus driven path.

So lets see...O' could enact by executive directive:

* Mandatory "being a parent" training before the state/city gov issues a wedding certificate.
* Welfare that will only pay for one out of wedlock kid. That pushes the old lady to get married.

There are holes in this logic though those can be closed, there needs to be a closed loop system where you can't escape the responsibility of good parenting.


I understand what your trying to purvey...but, parenting does not come with a handbook and what is "good parenting"? Parenting is a process of learning these days. What works for some may not work for another...What works one day may not work the next...



A lot of parents are just too f$^%^% Lazy to be good parents. Or just don't know better. Maybe they can invent a pill for that to. That has always pissed me off. I see a mother screaming and yanking on a kids arm in a store because the kid wont follow her to the counter so she could get her smokes and lottery .. TRUE STORY. I wanted to pull both her arms off.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:28 pm

My wife and I parent on a set of postitive and negative consequences. Every behavior, good or bad, has varying levels of consequences. I do not ask twice. If they are acting crazy, and with 4 you sometimes get a mad house, and I say enough they know it is time to retreat to the couches, the basement, or their bedrooms. If I say enough again, it is what we like to call "push-up therapy" where each child assumes the position and pushes the ground until we feel they have learned. Stage 3, which has only been pushed maybe a couple times is pain compliance, or ass whopping therapy. They avoid this stage at all costs.

My neighbors 14 year old told him, "You can't touch me, I will call the cops!" So we did him a favor and called for him. Turns out the police station told us as long as you do not leave visable, long term marks on the child it is not child abuse. Huh...imagine that. I told his 14 year old if he talked to me like that he would be picking himself up off the floor.

He also said he goes into his bedroom at night and tells him it is time for bed, turn off the TV and the kid yells no at him. Our solution in this house would be to walk in, unplug the tv, and toss the thing into the yard. Same with the cell phones for that matter. We will take doors off the hinges, take away phones, and give them 1 outfit for school. You dont get second chances, you behave or you face the consequences. Our house is not a democracy...life can be good, or really really hard.

On the same token, we shower them with love and make sure they know when they are doing right. We show them love and compassion, and reward them for jobs well done. These days the older 2 get a lot more of that then they do the punishment...their twin brothers are slow to learn but are coming around.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: homecomfort On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:45 pm

one cannot label parents as "Lazy" many struggle under less than ideal situations, and not all have any responsibility for their child's violent action. But Lazy does apply, to Americans who need to own a device that makes KILLING a human very easy, and impersonal. Gone are the days of diplomacy, walk away, fist fight at worst, careful reaction the the situation ,police intervention. now, it is " shoot first, ask questions later, ? like WHO exactly is having their life snuffed out. Some are criminals, but most are innocent killings from accidental shooting, stolen weapon used in crime, mistaken identity etc. in an ironic twist of ironic sickness, gun purveyors, manufacturers, gun shops etc, make a ton more profit $ when massacres happen, because scared, lazy Americans, no , americans, illogically RUN to their local gunshop, to add to the flood of killing devices. the Brain is mightier than the bullet, looks like America has more bullets than brains.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:06 pm

Rwalker wrote:I keep posting in the different threads, but I am getting confused as to what I have written and what good points have been said. So with that, dicuss where this problem starts.

To me, it starts in the home. How many of you are raising boys? I am raising 3! 3 active, crazy, hyper, strong, wall bouncing boys. Right now as I type one of my twin sons pulled the other one's pants down so they are stuck on his sneakers then pushed him because he knew he would fall. Then he laughed about it. That is how boys are.

Our job as fathers is to BE FATHERS. How many of these mass killers had active dads in their lives?? A boy needs a mom in his life for sure, but he needs a dad more. A dad teaches him how to be a man, how to act like a man, how to be compassionate like a man, fearless like a man, and show love like a man. Mom cant teach that, and I see it every day at work how it affects boys.

I know what it is like. My father was never in my life as a kid. He was and is a waste of space and I learned how to NOT be a man from him. My step-father came into my life when I was in 4th grade and taught me what a man is and how a man acts.

Everyday I tell my boys I love them, I kiss them, hug them, play with them, wrestle with them, take them fishing, show them how to dig up worms, how to shoot straight, how to treat women. I am not too busy for my sons, I live for them. And they see that momma is treated like a queen. They see how I do not trust anyone and I play nice until it is time to not play nice. They have to say please, thank you, sorry, etc. They watch me secure the doors and set the alarms and put daddy's pow-pow on the night stand that they know they CANNOT touch. When one takes something from the other, I let them handle it. Sometimes it comes to blows, then I seperate them and tell them not to raise their fists unless they are prepared to used them. Make them apologize to one another and hug. I teach my older boy to always be nice and respectful until someone puts their hands on you, then it is time to handle it violently and immediately.

Violent video games dont make kids violent. Shooting does not make kids violent. Absent parents do. Always disciplining and never loving does. You cant beat a kid down and never show him love, never show him how important he is, without something snapping.

So to you dads, BE DADS. Be there. Screw the over time or the second job. Live simplier if you have to, but for god's sake BE THERE FOR YOUR KIDS!


Great post. Could not agree more about the role two parents play in a childs life. Gotta tell you though that I don't feel so good about the "Daddy's pow-pow on the night stand" aspect of your post. I am sure your children are like most in that while they know right from wrong, eventually the lure of that forbidden device will be too much to resist. The gun should be safely stored where kids cannot access it. That is the only kind of gun control I believe in. Well that and hitting your target.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:11 pm

homecomfort wrote:one cannot label parents as "Lazy" many struggle under less than ideal situations, and not all have any responsibility for their child's violent action. But Lazy does apply, to Americans who need to own a device that makes KILLING a human very easy, and impersonal. Gone are the days of diplomacy, walk away, fist fight at worst, careful reaction the the situation ,police intervention. now, it is " shoot first, ask questions later, ? like WHO exactly is having their life snuffed out. Some are criminals, but most are innocent killings from accidental shooting, stolen weapon used in crime, mistaken identity etc. in an ironic twist of ironic sickness, gun purveyors, manufacturers, gun shops etc, make a ton more profit $ when massacres happen, because scared, lazy Americans, no , americans, illogically RUN to their local gunshop, to add to the flood of killing devices. the Brain is mightier than the bullet, looks like America has more bullets than brains.


One of the reasons I like this forum is there seems to be a lot of people on here that make a lot of sense. You are one of the ones that make NO sense to me.

Even if your child has a psychological issue, you can help them. And yes, most parents are LAZY and do not care. Our neighbors used to pick up one of the local kids for baseball practice because he never had a ride. He was 7 and home alone. Where was mom? She is a methhead. This kid is talented too, and who knows where he will end up. I see it at every baseball and football practice, at every school meeting. Half the damn parents dont even show up.

Lazy applies to Americans who need a gun??? Go stick your head in the sand or paint yourself white and go "baaaaa". I hope to god you are never in a situation when you need a gun because if you are, you are f*cked. If the wolf comes calling, kicks in your front door, rapes your wife and kids while you sit tied up waiting to be executed, you will wish you had one of those devilish devices that us LAZY Americans have to have. Dont think it happens? Take a look at the home invasion and murder rate. I deal with it every damn day and I have sickos sitting a desk distance away from me that have committed heinous crimes that could have been stopped had the victim been armed.

Police intervention??? Wow, each sentence I read I shake my head more. So when your front door is kicked in and you call the cops, how long do you think it will take for them to come and rescue you? They sure as hell cannot respond fast enough to stop a mass shooting! They will get there in time to wrap yellow tape around your front door.

You can continue being a sheep to the slaughter. When the *censored* hits the fan, may there be a sheepdog in the shadows, a lazy American, to save your ass.
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Re: Shootings and where the problem begins

PostBy: mozz On: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:15 pm

"Violent video games dont make kids violent."
I have to disagree on that one. Kids should also not be watching violent movies. Parents shouldn't drink in front of their kids. Escape from reality and the kids start believing tv and video games are real life. Bang bang, the guy is dead, i have 4000 points. Would you like to reload? You have 4000 points. Would you like to buy a better weapon? You need to kill more to gain points and be the high scorer. Norway was what 77? VA tech was 33?
Lets see what movies are on tonight. Oh, "The walking dead", i guess the idea is to kill them. What else. Lethal Weapon. World series of poker. Teen Mom. Bad girls need love too.
Lets see what video games are on sale for Christmas.
3-5 yeasr old, ELMO and Mickey, not bad.
6-9years sports and Mario, not bad again.10-12 sports, dancing,Disney.

13-16 racing, wrestling, now i am gonna quote some of the "themes" that the games start getting into.

"desperate bid for survival that strains the limits of his endurance and forces him to confront his deepest fears"
"skills, arsenal and physical characteristics to survive"
"players accumulate points by engaging hordes of thugs"
" key here is to chain together as many attacks as possible"
"time-based stealth mode where players must hone their ability to strike silently from the shadows"
"ability to quickly strike from above and at a distance and to take out enemies and create distractions, even through walls"

Oh, did i mention this is just "Batman"
"Your enemies will congregate around trouble areas and work as a team against you, so you must be silent, plan your attacks wisely, strike quickly and discover the value of encouraging fear within enemies."
That about sums it up for that age group. So the kids under 13 are looking forward to some violence when they get older, gee, i can't wait. My dad has guns, i seen them when he gets custody of me every other weekend. Here we go, Call of duty, still under 13-16 age group. Starcraft, "over 30 new units and weapons at your command" "Torch foes with the Hellion’s flamethrower, ambush adversaries with acid-spewing Banelings or deploy the Void Ray’s prismatic beam to annihilate your enemies."
Cool, more killing, i can't wait to grow up and get to play the 17and up age games. Mommy wouldn't buy me a game unless i wasn't in the right age group right?
I personally like this title "The world ends with you".

Now we skip up to the 17 year old age group. You are now considered "mature"
Well it looks like each and every game has a weapon on the cover, great, we all have 1 purpose, to kill.
"Customize your weapons, your skills and your approach to each mission, whether you favor intense run-and-gun action, stealthy close-up takedowns or long-range sniping."
"Encounter an engaging and disturbed cast of characters as you take a gritty journey to the dark side of humanity" Hey, i work with these people everyday! I can relate.
"players have the choice to punish or show mercy for their foes in fun and twisted ways"
Be different, that's what i was always told.
"attack enemies head-on as they respond to your aggressiveness"
"show no mercy and leave a path of destruction in your wake"
"Combining your suite of supernatural abilities and weapons opens up even more ways to overcome obstacles and eliminate targets"
" ruthlessly attack them head on with weapons drawn"
"The truth behind your betrayal is as murky as the waters surrounding the city, and the life you once had is gone forever. " Great, i was looking for direction, thanks. They will ask "why" when i am done.
"Stalk from the shadows or rush in guns blazing thanks to fully-evolved game mechanics and a sophisticated AI-System that responds realistically to every tactic you employ" I know this already, i am in control.
"focus your “Point-Shooting” abilities to unleash a barrage of insanely accurate shots." I have worked on this for so long................
Yeah, buy your kids violent video games, it will help him later in life, his is going to be short.

All quotes are from their respective video game designers, no copyright infringement are meant because they are right in front of your eyes. XBOX PLAYSTATION
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