Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:27 pm

I thought it mighta been my tinnitus.


I have that also! :lol: No this is more annoying, kinda like a mosquito. :P

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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:47 pm

homecomfort wrote:Nancy lanza's decision to introduce her son to the nra's world of irresponsible gun ownership, obviously backfired on her, and cost many innocent human beings their irreplaceable lives.


They have "Gun Haters Anonymous" group coming to a town near you! ;)
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: mozz On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:23 pm

One thing you can do is tell the schools to stop being stupid. Pocono Record newspaper just had a headline which had a chart on security. It showed which local schools had security guards, parking lot guards, cameras, metal detectors, buzzer to be let in, with I.D. or without, etc.etc. One school had no guards and no other things most other schools had. How stupid but they printed the names of all the schools. Now i know which school is the easiest target. How stupid can you be? Now some copycat can pick the easiest prey. At least one school did not comment and no information was given out. They were also saying how security guards don't have Act 120 and are not allowed to carry firearms. Good, higher body count.

This is how you get any school board member to actually do anything the people want.
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I do have a answer for you though. Look how hard it would be to have a mass shooting at say some place like the House or Senate. Many people would love to partake in that, the senators and reps know that, that's why they have the place so secure. So you put that kind of security in the schools. It will never happen but that is the answer and reason right there.
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:57 pm

And many of them carry guns as well.
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:27 pm

Nancy Lanza was an irresponsible gun owner. Her guns should have been locked in a safe unless she was using them, ammo should have been lockup also. A responsible gun owner knows where his or her guns are every minute, if they are not carrying or useing them they need to be locked up. Not in the closet, a gun cabinet or under the bed, In a safe a gun safe with a combo lock, not a lock with a key that can be lost or stolen. Gun control is knowing where you guns are all the time and being responsible. she allowed her son to get those guns and it cost her and others their lives. I have guns and I will keep my guns and they will be locked up unless I'am useing them. I do not fear guns of any type, I fear the irresponsible gun owners who do not control their guns.
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:36 pm

crazy4coal wrote:Nancy Lanza was an irresponsible gun owner. Her guns should have been locked in a safe unless she was using them, ammo should have been lockup also. A responsible gun owner knows where his or her guns are every minute, if they are not carrying or useing them they need to be locked up. Not in the closet, a gun cabinet or under the bed, In a safe a gun safe with a combo lock, not a lock with a key that can be lost or stolen. Gun control is knowing where you guns are all the time and being responsible. she allowed her son to get those guns and it cost her and others their lives. I have guns and I will keep my guns and they will be locked up unless I'am useing them. I do not fear guns of any type, I fear the irresponsible gun owners who do not control their guns.


Yeah, when growing up I would go to the range with my dad, afterwards we would go get something to eat. The guns would be in a brief case, we did not leave them in the car. Even thou at the time it was illegal for us to bring them into a restaurant we did so anyway. The brief case would go between my legs and feet, under my control and not in the car where they could fall into the wrong hands.

He always told me to protect the guns..
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:35 pm

crazy4coal wrote:Nancy Lanza was an irresponsible gun owner. Her guns should have been locked in a safe unless she was using them, ammo should have been lockup also. A responsible gun owner knows where his or her guns are every minute, if they are not carrying or useing them they need to be locked up. Not in the closet, a gun cabinet or under the bed, In a safe a gun safe with a combo lock, not a lock with a key that can be lost or stolen. Gun control is knowing where you guns are all the time and being responsible. she allowed her son to get those guns and it cost her and others their lives. I have guns and I will keep my guns and they will be locked up unless I'am useing them. I do not fear guns of any type, I fear the irresponsible gun owners who do not control their guns.


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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:06 pm

crazy4coal wrote:Nancy Lanza was an irresponsible gun owner. Her guns should have been locked in a safe unless she was using them, ammo should have been lockup also. A responsible gun owner knows where his or her guns are every minute, if they are not carrying or useing them they need to be locked up. Not in the closet, a gun cabinet or under the bed, In a safe a gun safe with a combo lock, not a lock with a key that can be lost or stolen. Gun control is knowing where you guns are all the time and being responsible. she allowed her son to get those guns and it cost her and others their lives. I have guns and I will keep my guns and they will be locked up unless I'am useing them. I do not fear guns of any type, I fear the irresponsible gun owners who do not control their guns.


If he didnt get them from her, he would have got them somewhere else. Perhaps even better ones. Or even pipe bombs, or propane bombs, or he could have pulled his vehicle up to the side of the school like Oklahoma City and really did it good.

$300 and 2 hours and you can get just about any weapon you want. After that, just bounce from store to store buying ammo. It's that simple. Half of the inmates I deal with used Ak-47s, Tech-9s, Uzis, etc. to commit their crimes. These guns didnt come from their mom's house. They were sold on the street. I know one guy in particular who used to pay a US military man to stop at gun shows on his way home from his weekend warrior duty and he would role into the "hood" with a trunk full of goodies. A grinder went to the serial numbers, and they sold out in less then an hour. Big business. Money talks, and if he didnt get them from him his mom, he would have got them somewhere else. Or flew a plane into the school. Let's not forget on 9/11 the terrorist's learned how to fly here in the good ole' US of A. All they needed were some box cutters and guys able to fly planes and they killed 1000s. Look how many car bombs go off in Iraq and kill 100s. Evil always finds a way. Mom's gun was there, it was a quick knee jerk reaction. The kids at Columbine didn't use mom's guns. They bought them.

In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend Robyn Anderson bought a rifle and the two shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[18] Through Robert Duran, another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.

Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns to make them easier to conceal.[4] They committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, before they began the massacre.


People are foaming at the mouth at this. Waiting and hoping for the bans to go into place because once they max out their sentences, they will make more money then they have ever made before. There will be plenty of assault weapons on the streets, believe that. And anyone with enough cash will get one with no serial number. You think drug smuggling is big business? Just watch and see how many billions they will spend to try and keep illegal guns from coming across the borders. Other countries will get sick rich over this.

Just keep our heads in the sand and let the government do it's thing. We will reap what we sow...
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:23 pm

Also I found this to be interesting:
Secret Service report on school shootings

A United States Secret Service study concluded that schools were placing false hope in physical security, when they should be paying more attention to the pre-attack behaviors of students. Zero-tolerance policies and metal detectors "are unlikely to be helpful," the Secret Service researchers found. The researchers focused on questions concerning the reliance on SWAT teams when most attacks are over before police arrive, profiling of students who show warning signs in the absence of a definitive profile, expulsion of students for minor infractions when expulsion is the spark that push some to return to school with a gun, buying software not based on school shooting studies to evaluate threats although killers rarely make direct threats, and reliance on metal detectors and police officers in schools when the shooters often make no effort to conceal their weapons.[70]

In May 2002 the Secret Service published a report that examined 37 US school shootings. They had the following findings:
Incidents of targeted violence at school were rarely sudden, impulsive acts.
Prior to most incidents, other people knew about the attacker's idea and/or plan to attack.
Most attackers did not threaten their targets directly prior to advancing the attack.
There is no accurate or useful profile of students who engaged in targeted school violence.
Most attackers engaged in some behavior prior to the incident that caused others concern or indicated a need for help.
Most attackers had difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures. Moreover, many had considered or attempted suicide.
Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others prior to the attack.
Most attackers had access to and had used weapons prior to the attack.
In many cases, other students were involved in some capacity.
Despite prompt law enforcement responses, most shooting incidents were stopped by means other than law enforcement intervention.[71]
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Re: Besides gun laws, what can be done to actually prevent

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:11 am

I've been kinda curious as to how many concerned parents actuallly contacted their respective school districts (in person) and what the outcomes were pertaining to individual school districts on making sure security was acceptable to them?
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