Gun control

Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:16 am

plumb-r wrote:Some people want their government to protect them from everything (including a 32oz. soda) :pepsi: . There are those of us how want the ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones, not only from criminals but from our government as well. I don't want my government to be responsible for everything. I want them to get out of my way so I can live my life FREE. :)

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Re: Gun control

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:37 am

plumb-r wrote:Some people want their government to protect them from everything (including a 32oz. soda) :pepsi: . There are those of us how want the ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones, not only from criminals but from our government as well. I don't want my government to be responsible for everything. I want them to get out of my way so I can live my life FREE. :)


QFT.


What has honestly been bugging me lately is that the media and our own government don't seem to know what an assault rifle is...or they've somehow forgotten. They generalize absolutely every weapon that "looks" scary into the "ASSAULT WEAPON" category and it's annoying.

The literal definition of Assault Rifle is: A rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

It got it's origin in 1942 with the MKb42 and was further developed by 1944 with the StG44, hell it's right in the name of the weapon and was clearly defined by Hitler himself; Sturmgewehr 44 which literally means Storm Rifle and was quoted as, "A rifle to storm the enemies position", it wasn't until later when the English coined the term Assault Rifle and the term has stuck. But the fear mongering retards of today has misconstrewed it's definition and purpose to mean every *censored* gun under the sun that scares the *censored* sheep. An AR-15 is not an Assault Weapon, a Glock 21 is not an Assault Weapon a kitchen knife is not a *censored* assault weapon. An M16 is an Assault weapon, an M249 SAW is NOT an assault weapon it is a SQUAD AUTOMATIC WEAPON or more commonly known as a LIGHT MACHINE GUN it's a support weapon. An HK416 is an assault rifle. But no, these god damned sheep seem to lump everything into the category of being an assault weapon whether it is or not.

No, a Bushmaster is a RIFLE nothing more. Sure, it's magazine fed but if you hold the trigger down it doesn't keep firing until the mag is empty. YOU HAVE TO KEEP PULLING THE TRIGGER. Yes, it's pretty efficient at killing but it is still not nor will it ever be an assault rifle or assault weapon. I'm so sick of these *censored*'s using the term ASSAULT RIFLE or ASSAULT WEAPON for weapons that aren't even classified as such.

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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:32 am

I have shot full auto "Assault rifles " for recreation. Let me say it is FUN FUN FUN. Emptying 40 rds in about 5 seconds. I had no desire to turn it towards anyone. So again I don't think we can blame the gun. It was all alone on the shooting bench bolt open and empty it did not try to load itself. I will say one thing. If, and I am still skeptical it will ever get this far and I hope it never does. But I would not want to take my AR up against a real Assault weapon. It would be pathetic and suicidal especially in a close combat environment. People don't realize that even though the civilian population does not have the rocket launchers and other military items the government does still fear a civilian uprising because eventually they would lose. So it does still keep them somewhat in check. The other thing people don't realize is the 2nd amendment keeps the rest of the constitution safe. If we lose the 2nd next to go would be the 1st. Hell we would probably still have slavery if it were not for the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:34 am

I'm On Fire wrote:[
What has honestly been bugging me lately is that the media and our own government don't seem to know what an assault rifle is...or they've somehow forgotten. They generalize absolutely every weapon that "looks" scary into the "ASSAULT WEAPON" category and it's annoying.


Sorry but they DO know, it's how they want to shape public opinion, don't believe me?

Check this out: In a letter to the editor in the American Journal of Public Health (pdf), Douglas Weil and Rebecca Knox explain that when Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55 percent drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.

Source: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 am

Ed.A wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:[
What has honestly been bugging me lately is that the media and our own government don't seem to know what an assault rifle is...or they've somehow forgotten. They generalize absolutely every weapon that "looks" scary into the "ASSAULT WEAPON" category and it's annoying.


Sorry but they DO know, it's how they want to shape public opinion, don't believe me?

Check this out: In a letter to the editor in the American Journal of Public Health (pdf), Douglas Weil and Rebecca Knox explain that when Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55 percent drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.

Source: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons


I know I remember that. It's *censored* stupid. Assault Pistols? Seriously? Yes, I know the Glock 18 is a pistol that has a full auto version. So, are MAC 10's, 11's, TEC 9's considered Assualt Pistols? How about Thompson Machine Guns? MP38's, 40's? Yup, all chambered in pistol rounds all full auto but last I checked it was near friggin' impossible to purchase a fully automatic weapon of any type and of the one's I've listed I'm pretty sure the only one that is easily obtainable is the Thompson but again, it's semi-automatic now.

Again, I don't own any weapons as of yet so if I'm incorrect on anything, feel free to correct me. I just find this entire Assault Weapon/Rifle *censored* completely ridiculous. I honestly feel they should be held accountable for referring to these things incorrectly. They should be forced to use the correct terms and definitions. Yes, these shootings are bad, but what makes it worse are these idiots running around calling a .38 an assault pistol because it was used in the robbery of a Bodega and two chickens were killed.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Phil May On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:05 pm

How about Putnam county NY refusing to release the info on gun owners. They can release my info any time. They also need to release the fact that I have lots ammo also. If they want to check it out I would be happy to show them how they work.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:25 pm

Now let me begin by once again saying it's not the guns fault. I came across this & it seems like the Swiss have a similar problem but at least have more of a restriction for mental issues than we do. They do however seem to have the same thing with being able to sell weapons second hand, that is where we have a problem as well, there is just no way of knowing where these guns have gone. Believe this or not there are many people out there that will knowingly sell to anyone if the price is right & the more desperate someone is for a gun the higher the price. http://www.windstream.net/news/read.php ... wed&page=1
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:28 pm

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Re: Gun control

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:41 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:To protect myself. It would appear that you don't understand the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.


i understand it perfectly.... YES your grasping it now..."To Protect Yourself is your reasoning" .... then you SIR should get some missle launchers and maybe a nuc too! This is YOUR RIGHT under the 2nd amendment ;) ..... now are you getting it??? We need adjustments to this law for the times were in. We could also marry 12 year olds back then too but they made laws for that kind of stuff now. I think most people would say you have the right to protect yourself from an invader or even from a a few bad people, nobody wants to take that right away from anyone (so get yourself a nice Glock and call it a day). You do not need to protect yourself from the whole country of England and if you ever did then my all means your then at WAR and you can have all the assault weapons and bombs you wish at that point by joining the military ;)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:43 pm

I have had the opportunity to fire some "real" assault weapons. Included are the M16A2 M203 and the M60. I must admit it was fun and I did qualify with the M 16 as an "expert". Not that it was that hard.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:48 pm

dcrane wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:To protect myself. It would appear that you don't understand the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.


i understand it perfectly.... YES your grasping it now..."To Protect Yourself is your reasoning" .... then you SIR should get some missle launchers and maybe a nuc too! This is YOUR RIGHT under the 2nd amendment ;) ..... now are you getting it???


I already got it a long time ago. If you want law enforcement and the government to protect you good luck with that. Why do people like you always bring up missile launchers a nukes? I do know one thing, I would not even try to protect you.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:53 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:
dcrane wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:To protect myself. It would appear that you don't understand the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.


i understand it perfectly.... YES your grasping it now..."To Protect Yourself is your reasoning" .... then you SIR should get some missle launchers and maybe a nuc too! This is YOUR RIGHT under the 2nd amendment ;) ..... now are you getting it???


I already got it a long time ago. If you want law enforcement and the government to protect you good luck with that. Why do people like you always bring up missile launchers a nukes? I do know one thing, I would not even try to protect you.



If its not the guns fault, then its not the hand grenades fault or the missile launchers fault either... and why not give myself the best protection available in the event a burglar invades my home or a large gang is headed my way? There needs to be a "reasonable" degree of cut off somewhere and my opinion is that weapons the military use to fight wars are not required to protect yourself, if you have 20 gang members coming to "get" you (all armed the same way you are) an assault weapon wont help you anyways.

Ok Ok, i know its a very touchy subject and im sorry for making my opinion known. I dont wish to upset anyone personally and i would have to hope fellow man does his best to protect human life if and when in jeopardy (with sticks and stones if need be). We can agree to disagree and shake hands and ill buy you a beer at this years get together in PA ;)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Phil May On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:57 pm

The reason we have and need to have guns is that some people need to be shot.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:00 pm

dcrane wrote:
Ok Ok, i know its a very touchy subject and im sorry for making my opinion known. I dont wish to upset anyone personally and i would have to hope fellow man does his best to protect human life if and when in jeopardy (with sticks and stones if need be). We can agree to disagree and shake hands and ill buy you a beer at this years get together in PA ;)


No need for an apology. You are FREE to say what you want. That does have something to do with the 2nd amendment. Need need to buy me a beer...........I don't drink anymore..............I'll have a pepsi though. :pepsi: Now that you edited your original post I don't want that pespsi after all. Don't try to play me again.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:06 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:
dcrane wrote:
Ok Ok, i know its a very touchy subject and im sorry for making my opinion known. I dont wish to upset anyone personally and i would have to hope fellow man does his best to protect human life if and when in jeopardy (with sticks and stones if need be). We can agree to disagree and shake hands and ill buy you a beer at this years get together in PA ;)


No need for an apology. You are FREE to say what you want. That does have something to do with the 2nd amendment. Need need to buy me a beer...........I don't drink anymore..............I'll have a pepsi though. :pepsi:


OK... pepsi's all the way around and we can spark up the coal stoves in celebration!
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