Gun control

Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:59 pm

samhill wrote:You keep on believing that Jpete, we have been down this road before so before I say something patriotic & being chastised for it I'll just be done with this subject. Now if you'll excuse me it's a clear night so I'm gonna run out & see if the sky is really falling, my monies on the sun coming up in the morning.


If what I said qualifies as "chastising", you've apparently lead an incredibly comfortable life.

Saying "Freedom isn't free" isn't being patriotic. It's verbal diarrhea. Mindlessly regurgitating government propaganda.

There. NOW you've been chastised. I hope you can see the difference.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:19 am

samhill wrote:If your so afraid of your Gov. what the hell are you still doing here? You all make the U.S. sound worse than some third world country run by a dictator, just because the one you wanted in office lost your running scared or is it you have always been running? I may be an older person but I sure don't see what is being described here.


http://rense.com/general60/whatthedollarscollapse.htm


What is there NOT to see?

It must be a great view with your head in the sand. :roll:
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:27 am

Guys really.....

Let me first say that Im a gun owner and Believe firmly in the second amendment . Too, as many of you have stated " It ain't there so we can hunt ducks" . Amen However it occurs to me that you needn't worry so much about our govt. taking away your right to own an assault weapon . Rather you should really be concerned about them making it illegal to own any firearms if you are of diminished mental capacity. And Ill remind you that under the Patriot act( compliments of the previous administration) your govt. can monitor your blogs and make any definition of crazy they want. One thing Id like to see included in that definition would be UNDERLYING ANGER OVER EVERYTHING. Honestly, Ive never felt like I needed an assault rifle until I read some of the unhinged paranoia being passed around as fact on this site. Id be afraid to come and ask for a glass of water on a hot day! SHEESH. Couldnt we all agree to focus on what we all have in common rather than on something as divisive as gun control? Like maybe how cool it is burning coal.....

Peace,

Waldo
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:37 am

waldo lemieux wrote:Guys really.....

Let me first say that Im a gun owner and Believe firmly in the second amendment . Too, as many of you have stated " It ain't there so we can hunt ducks" . Amen However it occurs to me that you needn't worry so much about our govt. taking away your right to own an assault weapon . Rather you should really be concerned about them making it illegal to own any firearms if you are of diminished mental capacity. And Ill remind you that under the Patriot act( compliments of the previous administration) your govt. can monitor your blogs and make any definition of crazy they want. One thing Id like to see included in that definition would be UNDERLYING ANGER OVER EVERYTHING. Honestly, Ive never felt like I needed an assault rifle until I read some of the unhinged paranoia being passed around as fact on this site. Id be afraid to come and ask for a glass of water on a hot day! SHEESH. Couldnt we all agree to focus on what we all have in common rather than on something as divisive as gun control? Like maybe how cool it is burning coal.....

Peace,

Waldo


We are mostly just venting most of us realize what a tragedy has happened. Also I am not speaking for anyone but me with saying that this is an attack on our rights for the wrong reasons. If they would put as much effort into discussing actual counter measures to the real problem, I would be much happier.
Don't worry about the unhinged paranoia. That's all it is for the most part mostly talk. So don't go running out buying any guns or ammo. Prices are high enough.
Welcome to the forum. BTW the politics section does get heated occasionally but in the end we are all friends.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:07 am

Flyer5,

Thanks for that :) And by the way I 200% agree with everyone that the discussion should start and end with what is making these people so crazy and willing to do these horrible things.

Best ...

Waldo
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:42 am

We do come off a little strong sometimes but the bottom line is we are just exercising our 1st amendment rights. Some of us think that it is our 2nd amendment rights that allow us to keep the 1st. The world is not all sunshine and rainbows. ;)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:59 am

plumb-r wrote:We do come off a little strong sometimes but the bottom line is we are just exercising our 1st amendment rights. Some of us think that it is our 2nd amendment rights that allow us to keep the 1st. The world is not all sunshine and rainbows. ;)


Our Second Amendment right did not do much to maintain our 9th and 10th Amendment enumerated rights. it isn't doing much for our vanishing 4th Amendment rights either.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Hey! We still got a firm grip on the THIRD! :D
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:58 pm

Ive never felt like I needed an assault rifle until I read some of the unhinged paranoia being passed around as fact on this site. Id be afraid to come and ask for a glass of water on a hot day! SHEESH.


As it should be I guess. I dont need to remind anyone that many home invasions start as a simple knock at the door, a simple "my car is broke down and I need to use your phone", a simple, "I need a glass of water on a hot day." Then you let them into your domain, and you suddenly realize you have just made the worst, and maybe final, mistake of your life. I live by a simple moto, I dont trust anyone. If you are pulling up my driveway, you had better be a visitor I am expecting or I am going to meet you halfway and demand to know your business. Period. That is my RIGHT as a free American. You are trespassing on private property, which is against the law. Coming into my house uninvited is ALSO against the law. Simply knocking on my door for a cup of water on a hot day is trespassing. I would not even unlock the locks or disable the alarm, I would simply tell you to GO AWAY.

And as a free American, it is my right to live how I want to live. I can own weapons for protection, I can live off the land if I want to, I can prepare myself and my family for everything and anything that comes at us. You have the right to live like sheep, I have the right to prepare. How you chose to live is up to you, but dont come knocking on my door looking for food, water, or shelter, because i will offer none. Preservation of my blood line is the number 1 priority. Collecting weapons, stock piling food, raising animals for food, cultivating the ground, these are all things I am permitted to do LEGALLY. No law is being broken, local, state, federal or otherwise. It isn't hurting anyone and is actually putting money in my pocket every month as we need to make less trips to the store. I chose to live this way, and thankfully I live in a country where I am permitted to do so. I am free to teach my children how to start a fire with next to nothing, how to kill and skin a wild animal, how to texas rig a rubber worm to land a bucket mouth, how to fish for channel cats, how to grow crops hydroponically, how to build a shelter, etc. I am free to do this, and it harms NO ONE, and is perfectly within the laws of the land. Hell, in PA we have mentored hunting. This means I can take my 9 year old out and he can shoot a deer, himself, with his own gun, at age 9. Or even 6. There are no restrictions on age. If I chose to do this and you dont, why does that make you better then me or vice versa? It doesnt.

People are free to live off the grid, or on it. People are free to rely totally on stores for food and water and people are free to grow, kill, and catch their own.

I dont live in a state of paranoia. The US dollar is and will continue to lose value. When it does, where will we get oil? We have enough here in the US to cover our asses, but no one with enough balls in power to drill for it. Where will we get food? Most of our food is IMPORTED. I go to the chow hall at work and the apples have stickers on them that says Chile.

I simply spread the word that everyone should be prepared to go off line and off the grid right now. To live without having to go to the store for food. To live in a country without gas and electricity and running water. Forever? Nope, but for at least several months. Your choice is to prepare or not prepare. Because you live in the US, you get to make that choice.

This forum has lost it's appeal to me lately. I have several things to do and first on my list is getting through my upcoming surgery. Less time on here means more time preparing, teaching, and learning.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:07 pm

RW,

As an also free citizen then Ill ask you to post a sign on the end of the driveway that says "owner is dangerous STAY OUT!" Itll probably keep you from ever having to use your gun or maybe thats what your hoping for... :P :P

Waldo
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:44 pm

I have one that says PRIVATE PROPERTY:NO TRESSPASSING.

That should be plenty, one would think. However I still get the occasional lost driver, and yes i do meet them with my weapon in full view. I am free to patrol my property as I see fit. I OWN it.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:07 pm

There is no sign needed.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:28 pm

Rwalker wrote:I have one that says PRIVATE PROPERTY:NO TRESSPASSING.

That should be plenty, one would think. However I still get the occasional lost driver, and yes i do meet them with my weapon in full view. I am free to patrol my property as I see fit. I OWN it.


Don't pay your property tax and see who owns it.

You RENT it. People don't own anything. Not themselves, and certainly not your land.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:55 pm

A little bit of property tax is a small price to pay for ownership. And yes, I do OWN it. If I wanted to bulldoze it to the ground and cut down all of my trees I could. If I wanted to turn it into a mud hut, I could. I own it. Having to pay taxes on it doesnt mean I dont own it, it means the government wants its slice of the pie.

The government wants a slice of every pie. If they could tax drugs and sex they would and open stores on every corner.

How do you not own yourself? If you wanted to take off into the mountains of Alaska and live in a hand made cabin off the grid, what taxes would you pay? Who would you answer to?
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:26 pm

If you are paying income and property tax, you don't own yourself. The government owns you and they allow you to keep a portion of your labor.

If I owned myself, I would keep 100% of the fruit of my labor.

I could move to the wilds of Alaska, but as soon as I got a job that paid a wage, the government stakes it's claim.

You won't bulldoze your house without permission from the government and you won't (legally) drive a nail to put up another one without permission from them either.
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