Gun control

Re: Gun control

PostBy: rockwood On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 am

Alex Jones verses Piers Morgan....I thought it was rather entertaining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Ddb3oa5CE
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:29 am

Would you let your employees carry a gun if you couldn't??? Government law enforcement are our employees. :)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:06 am

Exactly want is in the new gun control law that has everyone up in arms(pun intended)? Maybe if it is broken down we can see what the biggest problem is.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:12 am

The problem is little by little we are losing our rights. Give them a inch they will want a mile. Like dominoes once the first one topples the rest follow. :)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:13 am

I don't think there is anything on paper yet, but the gist of it is "New Law". If you don't enforce what you have, new ones won't work either.

The biggest arguement out there now is to ban the so called "assult weapons" which is a weak term meaning anything from any black gun that looks scary to specifically the AR-15. Either way it's based on appearance and perception not as much the weapon itself. Any gun in an experienced hand is equally as deadly, so to ban one specic gun is what is getting every one worked up. If you can ban one, you can ban many, and that is against our constitution.

The next arguement is restricting magazine capacity to 10 or less. Again, what's the point. It would slow someone down for about 3 seconds to change a magazine.

It's all politics and perception. In my opionin, nothing they are proposing will do anything but take guns away from the good guys.

And there are MANY other ideas out there, all are infringing on our freedom to protect ourselves. That is what has people up in arms.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:36 am

oros35 wrote:I don't think there is anything on paper yet, but the gist of it is "New Law". If you don't enforce what you have, new ones won't work either.

The biggest arguement out there now is to ban the so called "assult weapons" which is a weak term meaning anything from any black gun that looks scary to specifically the AR-15. Either way it's based on appearance and perception not as much the weapon itself. Any gun in an experienced hand is equally as deadly, so to ban one specic gun is what is getting every one worked up. If you can ban one, you can ban many, and that is against our constitution.

The next arguement is restricting magazine capacity to 10 or less. Again, what's the point. It would slow someone down for about 3 seconds to change a magazine.

It's all politics and perception. In my opionin, nothing they are proposing will do anything but take guns away from the good guys.

And there are MANY other ideas out there, all are infringing on our freedom to protect ourselves. That is what has people up in arms.


Exactly.

I was talking to someone the other day that said, "Yeah, great. Ban high capacity magazines. Then these morons will need to ban any and all types of tape because people are going to start taping 10 round mags to one another. *censored*, it's what I do now with my 30 round mags."

I said that banning the "high capacity" mags doesn't make the weapon any less dangerous or lethal and like it's been stated on here and elsewhere time and time again, it's not the gun that is the problem. It's the person operating the gun. The NRA has a good point, the only way to stop bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. I agree. Don't take guns away. Let people protect themselves. It's all a bunch of bullshit what's going on right now.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:09 am

The thing I'm seeing is there are a lot of sources saying what they think may happen without knowing. Then the whole thing has been turned into a don't blame the shooter but blame the victims or in the school case the adults in charge, the shooter becomes almost invisible & the anger is directed at what might be & how it may or may not effect some that somehow now feel that they too are victims.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:31 am

samhill wrote:The thing I'm seeing is there are a lot of sources saying what they think may happen without knowing. Then the whole thing has been turned into a don't blame the shooter but blame the victims or in the school case the adults in charge, the shooter becomes almost invisible & the anger is directed at what might be & how it may or may not effect some that somehow now feel that they too are victims.

Say what? I don't follow.

I think what we're talking about here is 2 different things.

Every one blames the shooter first, second what has allowed it to happen (most agree it is rooted in lack of parental supervision, or simply mental illness), next are contributing factors, (Like shootings that took place in an advertised defensless zone - the school) The media glorifies the shooter (everyone in the country knows his name now right) and millions of dollars have been made off of the tragety through media coverage so that's not going to change.
This issue is over and done. Case closed

New issue, new case:
The next issue is some people using the recent events to their advanage to take away some of our freedoms. Using the media and heightened emotions to rationalize it. It's not about the type of gun or the number of bullets, there is a much larger picture.

There are 2 victims - those that have been victims of a mentally ill shooter, and the rest of the law abiding citizens that are having their freedoms infringed upon because of a couple bad apples.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:33 am

plumb-r wrote:Would you let your employees carry a gun if you couldn't??? Government law enforcement are our employees. :)



Its allowed here. EDIT : OOOOps I didn't read that properly :D
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:51 am

Flyer5 wrote:
plumb-r wrote:Would you let your employees carry a gun if you couldn't??? Government law enforcement are our employees. :)



Its allowed here.

Are you hiring :?: :yes:
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:41 pm

Oros, back to my original question, exactly what rights has a non even disclosed proposal yet alone a law has been taken away from you? Believe it or not I would most likely recognize the name but I really can't think of any of their names off hand but all I hear is the rights that have been taken away by this evil Pres..
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:11 pm

Nothing has been taken away yet. But if you don't stand up for what you believe early, you will be left behind, with what ever someone else gives you.

There is alot of crap, and alot of worst case scenerios. But that is politics. You have to wade through the BS to see what is really going on. Both sides have to do it to keep up. It's an ugly way of doing business, but it's how it happens.

The most important thing is to become educated on the subject before you pick where you stand. For some people it takes the shock and awe approach to get them interested and want to learn. That is what your seeing in the media and some internet discussion.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:12 pm

samhill wrote:Oros, back to my original question, exactly what rights has a non even disclosed proposal yet alone a law has been taken away from you? Believe it or not I would most likely recognize the name but I really can't think of any of their names off hand but all I hear is the rights that have been taken away by this evil Pres..


Going to wait until the horses leave until you close the barn door are you?

Good plan. Solid strategy....

Just because you don't BELIEVE you've lost any rights, doesn't mean you haven't.

The extension of all the Bush policies leap to mind but since you don't think he did anything wrong, it's a waste of time to try to explain it to you.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 pm

Well "Samhill" lets start with the right to chose if you want health insurance or not and how much one might pay for it. :P
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