Gun control

Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:30 pm

Plumb-r, that's an easy one I'm all for the HC Bill except I don't think it goes anywhere near far enough, they caved into the lobbyist as they always do. Just about my whole adult life every election both sides say they are going to do something about HC or lack there of in this country but that was always as far as it went. Sure if you have a good job that provides HC Ins. then you could care less but you have to take into account that those are going the same way as most other good things. If you live without Ins. & you don't have any problems that's great too but it's once you get sick where it gets sticky, as usual those that don't contribute anything & have nothing get the free ride but then again it's only free to them. For the rest we either have to pay our own way or what we own can be attached or taken away which only throws you into the group that has not.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:37 pm

samhill wrote:Plumb-r, that's an easy one I'm all for the HC Bill except I don't think it goes anywhere near far enough, they caved into the lobbyist as they always do. Just about my whole adult life every election both sides say they are going to do something about HC or lack there of in this country but that was always as far as it went. Sure if you have a good job that provides HC Ins. then you could care less but you have to take into account that those are going the same way as most other good things. If you live without Ins. & you don't have any problems that's great too but it's once you get sick where it gets sticky, as usual those that don't contribute anything & have nothing get the free ride but then again it's only free to them. For the rest we either have to pay our own way or what we own can be attached or taken away which only throws you into the group that has not.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's FREE!

How you managed to survive all these years is a puzzle to me.

Any time government gets involved with something, the price goes up and the supply goes down. It's just a fact.

I ran across an old medical bill from the late 50's/early 60's before the "Great Society" kicked in.

A three day hospital stay was $37 and "Drugs administered" was $1.95. Before any insurance kicked in! And it wasn't for a case of the sniffles. That was for a person who had a stroke!
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:44 pm

This is getting way too far off subject but as I said who do you think pays for those that can't? If you want to continue without the guns start a new one, sorry I got so far off, just happened to look up & see the subject.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:47 pm

Modern technology may make the whole gun availability issue mute. Soon there will be personal 3-D printers that are affordable for home use. Starting at around $1500 they print plastic prototypes from CAD files. Nothing can prevent you from printing a gun. Yes, it will only be pistol size and not as durable as a metal one but it will still be a gun. One that will easily get by metal detectors. Let's see how Homeland Security and law enforcement deal with that one. You could also print magazines of any size your CAD program can design. Isn't technology wonderful?

Sounds like a future business model. Selling CAD files of gun designs, renting high end 3-D printers, etc. The gun huskers have new products and profit possible. ;-)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:53 pm

I've heard of that but I'm not sure I'd want to be the first guy to pull the trigger. :)

I can't imagine the plastic being strong enough to withstand the pressure.

Probably with computers, you could easily stop printing part way through and lay a barrel into the part and then finish printing so that it would be embedded into the finished part.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:56 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:
plumb-r wrote:Would you let your employees carry a gun if you couldn't??? Government law enforcement are our employees. :)



Its allowed here.

Are you hiring :?: :yes:



Wish we were but with the current economy we are like everyone else. Very little growth in 3 yrs. Which is better than some I guess.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:00 pm

jpete wrote:I've heard of that but I'm not sure I'd want to be the first guy to pull the trigger. :)

I can't imagine the plastic being strong enough to withstand the pressure.

Probably with computers, you could easily stop printing part way through and lay a barrel into the part and then finish printing so that it would be embedded into the finished part.



People have already built AR Lowers in exactly this manner. The new plastics are pretty tough. I would think something can be built that can handle a 22 long . But would still need some metal for a firing pin but small.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:21 pm

You asked for one example where our rights had been taken from us, I simply provided one. The topic is gun control and how that is one our rights which the left wishes to infringe on! This administration has gotten away with enough already. :)
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:47 pm

Your right in saying I was off topic in a way, it's not a right in some respects but it's also not a left or right thing either IMO no matter which party is in when something like these shootings especially the school the subject is going to come up.There have been some good ideas but everything has drawbacks, we as a society ask teachers to be baby sitters, surrogate parents, but to have just about no discipline prospects & then teach them in a way of our choosing & blame them if they don't learn & now some want them to carry to protect them. These are the same people that get in trouble if they were to express discipline perhaps a bit too harshly perhaps not but in some schools it's teachers that need protection from students. IMO we have to find ways to limit who gets these guns (of any kind) with as little infringement as possible but some don't want any change at all. In at least two of the more recent events there were carriers that didn't take a shot, not being there you can't really fault them, like I always say a human target puts a whole new perspective on things especially when they can shoot back. At least now all sides have been invited to talk & express their side which is something that hardly ever presents itself in today's politics & if everyone holds their cool perhaps something that everybody can live with will come out of it. Nothing will ever stop all the violence but if there are known problems that some refuse to address then it's just business as usual.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:56 pm

samhill wrote: Nothing will ever stop all the violence but if there are known problems that some refuse to address then it's just business as usual.

Like the education system as a whole.
Or overcrowding prisons which equals reduced sentences
Or even touchier soubjects like mental illness.

The probelm is not the gun, it's who is holding the gun. Treating the symptom is only that, you will never cure the disease. And in the process you erode the free society, creating a weaker society
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:10 pm

I have never said that the problem is the gun, it's the end result of many things but you have to do something rather than nothing IMO. There is a obvious problem so why not do what they are doing & address the problem? I have brought up many of the same things & it seems like someone always says no way that's not the problem it won't stop anything, maybe not or maybe so but if they don't talk & come up with something then we just kicked another can down a dead end road.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:40 pm

If your going to start banning things why not bring back prohibition. There were 10,228 alcohol related vehicle deaths in 2010. Better yet ban motor vehicles there was over 32,000 motor vehicle deaths in 2010. Black cars are especially bad. :no1: There are problems and banning guns, mags., ect. will not solve them. :(
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:12 pm

And here we go, smiling Joe has threatened Executive Order to bypass Congress if necessary. In other words, if you don't go along with us, tough *censored*.

Per the Fox.com home page.

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Re: Gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:32 pm

Plumb. please show me where I ever said I want guns banished, I did however say that I personally see no need for weapons like the AR15 or large mags but that's just my personal opinion, I believe that I said something to the effect that it makes someone feel real good to shoot all those rounds so be it. I just don't get anything out of it nor can I afford it, the only point I'm trying to make is that there is more of an uproar over something that may inconvenience some than there was over the actual shooting.
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Re: Gun control

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:31 pm

samhill wrote:Plumb. please show me where I ever said I want guns banished, I did however say that I personally see no need for weapons like the AR15 or large mags but that's just my personal opinion, I believe that I said something to the effect that it makes someone feel real good to shoot all those rounds so be it. I just don't get anything out of it nor can I afford it, the only point I'm trying to make is that there is more of an uproar over something that may inconvenience some than there was over the actual shooting.



My point is, why because someone doesn't personally see the need for something make it ok to ban it? So if I don't see the need for a lot of things we have should I say its ok for someone to take away someone else's right. Example. Just say I don't fly anymore. And people get killed in aircraft a lot and aircraft can and have been used as weapons of mass destruction on an enormous scale. Should I protest that they fly over my house? Should I say we should outlaw large airliners from flying into a city. Or should we be banning them all together. What is the argument that make large aircraft any different than black guns?
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