Entire statement/transcript from the NRA

SuperBeetle · By: **SuperBeetle** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:20 pm

samhill wrote:SB, once again I'll ask who ever said you couldn't legally carry? .

When did you ask me that?

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:29 pm

Ok, it may have been Klook so I'll ask now. When or who besides maybe Bloomburg or some other nut.

grumpy · By: **grumpy** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:35 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Just thought I would share this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... vAXBEDz2yo

SuperBeetle · By: **SuperBeetle** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:53 pm

Nobody ever said I couldn't carry. (Well, actually work does) In fact I'm sure you know I usually do. However my place of work has I sign on the doors that read "No Firearms Allowed". Do you think that's a good idea? Will it keep someone who wants too kill people from doing it? I do however, routinely see Law Enforcement carrying there on a regular basis. And for the record, I have been referring to high capacity magazines and so called assault weapons. If the cops are allowed to have them then so should we the people.

KLook · By: **KLook** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:56 pm

you brought up HC with the union remarks

Heading out now Sam, I am about a 10 handicap so I won't slice much. You need to go back and slowly read a bit. You are very confused. MY union comparison brought in HC???? Delusional.

Kevin

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:04 pm

Don't see your logic there but so be it. Where would it stop should a private citizen be able to own anything that the military has so should We The People? Or should it be the part where it says something like a well regulated militia. If you own a place of business shouldn't you be able to exercise your right to make it a gun free place, not trying to start anything here but just saying that we all have some rights & ones right doesn't trump another's simply because they think it should. If you want to carry where ever you go then simply don't go where you can't carry, if you want everyone that wants to have a fire arm then God help us all.

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:23 pm

Klook,

Your representation drove jobs overseas and angered regular non union people with your lavish paychecks, health plans and retirements.[quote
Kevin

Did you or did you not bring in the subject, if your reading isn't subject then maybe it's the memory or comprehension skills.

lsayre · By: **lsayre** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:31 pm

I believe that the original Founding intent was for it to be considered virtually mandatory (yet voluntary) for all citizens capable of doing so to bear arms in defense of the nation. This would require arms of the best military level (with this level of equipment and preparedness being encompassed within the original meaning of 'well regulated').

This is similar to both Switzerland and Israel, both of which have virtually zero murders as a consequence of every adult being militarily armed to the gills. The difference for these two being that it is defacto mandatory, and there is no voluntary aspect associated with it.

Once again though, the enumeration of rights that can not be and do not need to be enumerated is ultimately the destruction of rights.

jpete · By: **jpete** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:40 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.

Instead of demonizing the gun, maybe people should be taught how to use them properly.

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:43 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi ... witzerland This is how the Swiss do it & I believe it may be similar elsewhere.

lsayre · By: **lsayre** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:49 pm

samhill wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland This is how the Swiss do it & I believe it may be similar elsewhere.

The Founders quotes are replete with statements to the effect that there was to be no standing army, and rather the citizenry was to serve this purpose. I have yet to come across one Founders quote mentioning hunting in association with the second Amendment.

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:12 pm

If the FF would have put everything that could possibly come up they would never live long enough to finish which is why they left room for amendments. At that time period one would think that home protection as well as hunting for food would be a no brainer, no real type of police or no refrigeration or 24 hr. Walmarts.

lsayre · By: **lsayre** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:47 pm

samhill wrote:If the FF would have put everything that could possibly come up they would never live long enough to finish which is why they left room for amendments. At that time period one would think that home protection as well as hunting for food would be a no brainer, no real type of police or no refrigeration or 24 hr. Walmarts.

Precisely, and one would also think that defense of the nation was also a no brainer. Thus why bother enumerating rights? The only Amendment that makes any sense to enumerate is the 10th Amendment, and it is the one that was obliterated first. Let's face it, if the 10th Amendment can be eviscerated (and it has), then the rest can likewise.

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Well right there most states have their own gun laws or lack there of http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 47420.html Which I don't have a problem with if everyone that buys or gets a gun that shouldn't stays on their own property with it. We have way too many laws but that's because we don't enforce them for one reason or another so simply make another that won't be enforced either, at least not for everyone.

lsayre · By: **lsayre** On: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:04 pm

Off topic (unless you see these things in a broader sense as I often do), but it was the new upstart Republican Party under Abe Lincoln that eviscerated the 10th Amendment. This had to be a fundamental part of their very intent and existence as a party.

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