Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:41 am

coalkirk has it right. and gun control only inhibits the the law abiding citizen, there never will be a way to keep guns away from felons or mental nuts, not in the real world. it just will not happen, and if you think it can just take a look at the drug enforcement and ask yourself how that is working out
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:06 pm

I have another idea. I know its going to be flawed to some extent. How about some of the people that are on the streets collecting entitlements are made to earn some of it. We have streets that need to be cleaned we have lots of cities who cant afford the maintenance crews and such. Get people that are able bodied to get out there and chip in. I know you cant force responsibility on people its not politically correct. If you are not retired or physically disabled you need to be part of a contributing society. If you are unemployed and collecting past the original 16 weeks or on welfare. You need to report to some type of community service so many hrs a week. A lot of the Adam Lanza types just have too much time to sit around and think of destruction. A lot of these wacko's determined to take out masses of people have no purpose in life that's why they off themselves before being captured in most cases. I just don't think people should get the free ride that so many get anymore. Not sure if it is an answer or if it could even work. Just me rambling.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:31 pm

Actually Sam, you keep bringing this back to hunting and making disparaging remarks about hunting. I question your portrayal of your motives. However, most game animals cannot be hunted with guns that hold over 3 to 5 shots, maybe a few more, my Savage 99's hold 6. Should they be illegal? Large clips or magazines have been controlled for hunting for many years. Perhaps in some states not so, hog hunting from a helicopter in Texas comes to mind. The Wardens in Maine overlook this with guys I know running coyotes with dogs. This entire debate is not about hunting as has been pointed out many times. The 2A is not about hunting, period.
Having said that, I would not be against rules about clips or magazines. Here is why.
1. They ability to change them fast is an acquired skill, depending on the gun. we still have not seen a trained competent shooter.
2. They will not be controlled by laws, I will be able to get all I want of them at anytime. Just make people like you feel better. We fight you so hard because we know this and after the law fails, you will go after more restrictive measures pointing out the failure as the reason to go further.
3. I can do all I want with ten rounds, but ten rounds is not going to be the cut off point. My XD holds 12+1 from the factory. How are you going to limit the millions of firearms already in circulation without confiscation? How do you handle the expense of trying to stop the black market that will spring up. Prohibition? Drug war? Failure.
Even in the so called wild west where everyone carried there were plenty of murders.

Even in the so called wild west is correct, so called. Guns have always been expensive, and most people in the wild west needed long guns to help them eat, fight off indians, and stop predation of their livestock. Handguns were a luxury item unless you made your living with it or protected your living with it. You have watched to many old movies, just like the new movies. What they portray and reality are two different things.
I inherited a large number of firearms, handed down for over 100 years. Do you know how many handguns there were? Yep, exactly 0. They were not needed by my ancestors in Maine who were mostly poor and needed firearms to hunt only. This does not mean they did not own some, they did. They just were not as prized as a good long gun and were sold when they were no longer needed. I wish they had kept some of those old handguns, some of the rifles are very valuable.

In wartime we got by with 20 round clips


I bet there were times that you or someone else wanted all the bullets you could stuff into the damn thing. Just because you didn't have more does not mean you couldn't have used more. You also had to lug them with you.

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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:45 pm

I have said many times that I don't mind banning high round magazines. I carry a .45 for a reason. However, I do own high round mags for my .22s and 9mms because they are fun to shoot. As others have said though, they are a BITCH to load! The 100 round drums are even worse. My .22 came with a neat little tool that makes loading a breeze, but loading my 31 round GLOCK mag with 9mm ammo is hard on the thumbs. I have found the higher round mags jam a little more as well.

I hunt with a .30-.30, it holds quite a few rounds, but I only typically need one. Unless the deer is motivating. And it has a raised scope so I can use the scope or the iron sites. Helps with moving targets.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:32 pm

Could use a lil cleanin up, but you're on the money & I like it.
Flyer5 wrote:I have another idea. I know its going to be flawed to some extent. How about some of the people that are on the streets collecting entitlements are made to earn some of it. We have streets that need to be cleaned we have lots of cities who cant afford the maintenance crews and such. Get people that are able bodied to get out there and chip in. I know you cant force responsibility on people its not politically correct. If you are not retired or physically disabled you need to be part of a contributing society. If you are unemployed and collecting past the original 16 weeks or on welfare. You need to report to some type of community service so many hrs a week. A lot of the Adam Lanza types just have too much time to sit around and think of destruction. A lot of these wacko's determined to take out masses of people have no purpose in life that's why they off themselves before being captured in most cases. I just don't think people should get the free ride that so many get anymore. Not sure if it is an answer or if it could even work. Just me rambling.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:29 am

Bravo to this author.


X2 for me. Excellent well written article.

Kevin
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: DieselBob On: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:02 am

Flyer5 wrote:I have another idea. I know its going to be flawed to some extent. How about some of the people that are on the streets collecting entitlements are made to earn some of it. We have streets that need to be cleaned we have lots of cities who cant afford the maintenance crews and such. Get people that are able bodied to get out there and chip in. I know you cant force responsibility on people its not politically correct. If you are not retired or physically disabled you need to be part of a contributing society. If you are unemployed and collecting past the original 16 weeks or on welfare. You need to report to some type of community service so many hrs a week. A lot of the Adam Lanza types just have too much time to sit around and think of destruction. A lot of these wacko's determined to take out masses of people have no purpose in life that's why they off themselves before being captured in most cases. I just don't think people should get the free ride that so many get anymore. Not sure if it is an answer or if it could even work. Just me rambling.

Very good point. At one time it was called the WPA. Problem is you try that now and the unions will go nuts and that means DOA as far as the Dems are concerned.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:50 am

DieselBob wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:I have another idea. I know its going to be flawed to some extent. How about some of the people that are on the streets collecting entitlements are made to earn some of it. We have streets that need to be cleaned we have lots of cities who cant afford the maintenance crews and such. Get people that are able bodied to get out there and chip in. I know you cant force responsibility on people its not politically correct. If you are not retired or physically disabled you need to be part of a contributing society. If you are unemployed and collecting past the original 16 weeks or on welfare. You need to report to some type of community service so many hrs a week. A lot of the Adam Lanza types just have too much time to sit around and think of destruction. A lot of these wacko's determined to take out masses of people have no purpose in life that's why they off themselves before being captured in most cases. I just don't think people should get the free ride that so many get anymore. Not sure if it is an answer or if it could even work. Just me rambling.

Very good point. At one time it was called the WPA. Problem is you try that now and the unions will go nuts and that means DOA as far as the Dems are concerned.



Like I said, there are flaws. But its the idea. Know what they say about an idle mind.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: plumb-r On: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:50 am

I think "Flyer5" is on to something. There are enough people on unemployment they could make a human chain around each school for protection :mad: . Something like the WPA should be started up again. No free rides :o .
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:12 am

KLook wrote:
Bravo to this author.


X2 for me. Excellent well written article.

Kevin


X3 Wow, killer article...no pun intended.
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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:57 am

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Re: Why Not Renew the Assault Weapons Ban?

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:13 am

Nice find, I'll add another.


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