So I started my hearth area demo

Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:00 pm

McGiever wrote:Smokeyja,
Couldn't you make in the shop some adjustable shim packs from bolts and nuts, and mount to floor in a grid pattern.

Get them all set level for bottom of stone slab, then lay some rows of stiff concrete...somewhat higher than shims...then set slab and then the laid rows of stiff concrete would spread out and the shims would stop the slab where you want it, let it alone and concrete will setup.

You could plan to hold the laid stiff concrete short of the edges and latter dry pack a colored grout and trowel it to a 45* angle or whatever angle you desire.
After the grout is cured...seal the Bluestone and the angled grout at the same time. :)


The slab will not fit in the wood opening . I oversized it on purpose . The opening is 63x37" and the slab is 64x40 . I want the stone to be on the wood so no grout or finishing mortar would be used . The slab is rock faced so I wouldn't want to cover any of that up and that's why I chose to do it that way. I think I am going to raise the concrete up until I have about a 1/2" from the wood surface and then apply a thin layer of mortar and while its still soft I will lay the stone!
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:33 am

A talented man left to his own devices will surely come up with the workable game plan he is comfortable with ;) Now by God, that sounds REAL good to me Josh :) What are you using to set the hearth-stone? Don't forget the compression concept with that last layer of mortar. :roll:
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:47 am

Smokeyja wrote:
McGiever wrote:Smokeyja,
Couldn't you make in the shop some adjustable shim packs from bolts and nuts, and mount to floor in a grid pattern.

Get them all set level for bottom of stone slab, then lay some rows of stiff concrete...somewhat higher than shims...then set slab and then the laid rows of stiff concrete would spread out and the shims would stop the slab where you want it, let it alone and concrete will setup.

You could plan to hold the laid stiff concrete short of the edges and latter dry pack a colored grout and trowel it to a 45* angle or whatever angle you desire.
After the grout is cured...seal the Bluestone and the angled grout at the same time. :)


The slab will not fit in the wood opening . I oversized it on purpose . The opening is 63x37" and the slab is 64x40 . I want the stone to be on the wood so no grout or finishing mortar would be used . The slab is rock faced so I wouldn't want to cover any of that up and that's why I chose to do it that way. I think I am going to raise the concrete up until I have about a 1/2" from the wood surface and then apply a thin layer of mortar and while its still soft I will lay the stone!


that is EXACTLY what I would be doing if I had the $600.00 for a hearth ;) here was my emails for quotes on my nice custom slab that I will NOT be getting :mad:
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:50 am

freetown fred wrote:A talented man left to his own devices will surely come up with the workable game plan he is comfortable with ;) Now by God, that sounds REAL good to me Josh What are you using to set the hearth-stone? Don't forget the compression concept with that last layer of mortar. l:


Thanks Fred! Do you mean the weight dispersion and the spread of the mortar as far as the compression concept? If not then I need a quick lesson from you !

dcrane wrote:
Smokeyja wrote:
McGiever wrote:Smokeyja,
Couldn't you make in the shop some adjustable shim packs from bolts and nuts, and mount to floor in a grid pattern.

Get them all set level for bottom of stone slab, then lay some rows of stiff concrete...somewhat higher than shims...then set slab and then the laid rows of stiff concrete would spread out and the shims would stop the slab where you want it, let it alone and concrete will setup.

You could plan to hold the laid stiff concrete short of the edges and latter dry pack a colored grout and trowel it to a 45* angle or whatever angle you desire.
After the grout is cured...seal the Bluestone and the angled grout at the same time. :)


The slab will not fit in the wood opening . I oversized it on purpose . The opening is 63x37" and the slab is 64x40 . I want the stone to be on the wood so no grout or finishing mortar would be used . The slab is rock faced so I wouldn't want to cover any of that up and that's why I chose to do it that way. I think I am going to raise the concrete up until I have about a 1/2" from the wood surface and then apply a thin layer of mortar and while its still soft I will lay the stone!


that is EXACTLY what I would be doing if I had the $600.00 for a hearth ;) here was my emails for quotes on my nice custom slab that I will NOT be getting :mad:
hearth granite piece 001.jpg


I see you write granite on there? Originally I tried to get a rough cut granite slab that looked much like a giant cobble stone but no one remotely in the area would do it! And then I was quoted a slab of "Hawthorne limestone" it was $800 .... Then I said ok ill just buy cobblestones but even then they were pricy and I couldn't get the perfect stone pattern mathematically without breaking stones . Finally I went to luck stone and the consultant there showed me blue stone which can be numerous types of stone . This particular bluestone I have is feldspathic sandstone a mix of feldspar and sandstone from the US. Look into a "bluestone" slab and the price may be cheaper u less you already have .

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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:05 am

thanks smoke, I see you were able to get "rock cut" on the edges which is exactly what I wanted! I can also make due with 2" thickness so maybe ill put out for a chunk of bluestone (the problem is I really cant spend more the a couple hundred bucks on this piece and I think the custom cuts are killing me :(
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:23 am

Yep, dispersion & spread indeed--I love it when you young guys use all them thar fancy technical words-- :clap: toothy
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:31 am

So I have the stone and am ready to lay the mortar and lay the stone but I can't get any of my selfish friends to help me get the stone in the house! Whenever I mention it they ignore my calls and text . One one of my friends has been here to try and help twice but we can move it just the two of us . I think that I'll have to be too busy as well next time someone needs me to help them move something with my truck . I'm about to go pick up some Mexicans out in front of lows and pay them each $20 to help me get it in the house.
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:03 am

Sad how that seems to work, but, you'll get er:)
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: coalturkey On: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:09 am

Josh, when you set the slab you might try this trick. Put an extra thick coating of mortar on the base and put some marbles or bearing balls in it at corner and center locations. Then set the slab and wiggle it. It will settle to the level of the bearing bals and set up. If the base is level this will help a lot.
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:46 pm

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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:04 pm

Now that's lookin REAL purty Josh. NICE ;)
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: joeq On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Wow! Check out the muscle power. You could've pulled a diesel motor with that much help. So how much does that slab weigh Josh? I'm guessing 250? Did the base come out the way you wanted? Can't wait to see the finished product. Better hurry. Winter is just a stone throw away. I wish...with the awful heatwave we've been experiencing here in CT. It's been brutal with the humidity. It's like Viet Nam. :(
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:41 pm

Come on Joe, this weather's been like a nice Fall day in the Nam ;)
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: joeq On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:27 pm

Alright Fred. Maybe I'm exaggerating. I stand corrected. :)
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Re: So I started my hearth area demo

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:33 am

Wow, you all put that stone down on the floor without ANY Plumber's Crack showing at all. Simply amazing. :roll:
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