Where do you see the USA a few generations from now?

Is it merely my perception, or do we as a nation of individuals seem to have far less of an aversion to the acceptance of coming socialism than to an acceptance of coming fascism? Between the two it is only fascism that preserves private ownership as one of its core principles, while socializing pretty much everything all the same. Hmmmm?????

I know this verges upon conspiracy theorizing, but could the corporatocracy fueled power elite be using this aversion (blindness) to their advantage?

Ain't that the truth

jpete wrote:

freetown fred wrote:- everything in life has limits

Albert Einstein wrote:“Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.”

jpete wrote:Riiiggghhhttt...like the government would never do anything to advance it's own agenda.

The reason people thinks these outlandish "conspiracy theories" is because of all the ACTUAL outlandish things the government has DONE. Operation Paper Clip, Operation Northwoods, MK-ULTRA. The list is long and evil.

On topic, we're already some weird hybrid social/fascist state and have been for some time.

How about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment
(How many more things like this are actively going on behind the scenes? Was this a precursor to the sort of shenanigans we might come to expect under Obamacare?)

lsayre wrote:

jpete wrote:Riiiggghhhttt...like the government would never do anything to advance it's own agenda.

The reason people thinks these outlandish "conspiracy theories" is because of all the ACTUAL outlandish things the government has DONE. Operation Paper Clip, Operation Northwoods, MK-ULTRA. The list is long and evil.

On topic, we're already some weird hybrid social/fascist state and have been for some time.

How about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment
(How many more things like this are actively going on behind the scenes? Was this a precursor to the sort of shenanigans we might come to expect under Obamacare?)

Most people believe the government is there to protect us and would never be involved in such acts.

lsayre wrote:How about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment
(Was this a precursor to the sort of shenanigans we might come to expect under Obamacare?)

Larry, generally your posts are simply incomprehensible. This one is just plain stupid.

rberq wrote:

lsayre wrote:Larry, generally your posts are simply incomprehensible. This one is just plain stupid.

With the likes of death councils, time will tell. Perhaps at the plebe level syphilis will some day (perhaps as soon as when the OPM starts running out) be considered a self inflicted illness not worthy of government coverage. That and a bunch of other illnesses and ailments.

I been REALLY noticin my artyritis giving me fits since ,DAMN, Nov.--SOB

who cares a few generations from now i'll be planted, waiting for the return of the good LORD...merry christmas...

rberq wrote:

lsayre wrote:How about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment
(Was this a precursor to the sort of shenanigans we might come to expect under Obamacare?)

Larry, generally your posts are simply incomprehensible. This one is just plain stupid.

Why is pointing out that your government sees you either as a lab rat or a "revenue stream" stupid?

I think it's stupid to NOT think the government would kill you in a New York second for it's own amusement.

Evolutionary trends in government seem to have always followed advances in technology that make new forms possible. Agriculture made possible large armies which in turn brought about feudalism. This happened in societies as different as those in Europe and Japan.

The industrial revolution eventually killed off most monarchies or rendered them almost powerless in favor of parliamentary forms of government.

The trend today in our digital age seems to be toward a dictatorship of the proletariat which is just as illusionary as it was in Soviet Russia.

jpete wrote:Why is pointing out that your government sees you either as a lab rat or a "revenue stream" stupid?

I think it's stupid to NOT think the government would kill you in a New York second for it's own amusement.

The sacrifice of individuals is a logical (and also fundamental and necessary) consequence of the acceptance that the individual is not as important as the collective (state). And for every sacrifice there is someone performing the act and then collecting the sacrificial offering(s). The someone performing the sacrifice and collecting the benefit thereof being the ruling class and its surrounding oligarchy/corprotocracy. The offerings can be and often are as simple as the instilled fear of like consequence that terrorizes other individuals into further rejection of their own self worth (pride) as the root of sin and acceptance of the collective and its sacrifice as the root of good. If it is better to give than to receive, then it is also better (as in good) to give out punishment than to receive it (with the very receipt of punishment itself offered as the proof of the recipients evilness to the eyes of the collectives sheeple). This modus of operandi is (to those who worship any collective) a clear proof of the end justifying the means. And we as a state clearly accept at this juncture that the end justifies the means. That is why we have the TSA, fully militarized police, FEMA camps, Homeland Security, the NDAA, the Patriot Act, indefinite detention, car search and seizure at will, and let us not forget on this Christmas morn, the indiscriminate bombing and slaughter of tens of thousands to millions (virtually all of whom never harmed us or ever intended to) in places like Vietnam, and the Middle East (excluding here of course Saudi Arabia), etc.... Yes, war itself demands that the collective be more important than the individual, and that individual sacrifice (on both sides of the conflict) is a requisite and good thing.

A few generations from now...

Well I do not see us being a Superpower by any stretch of the imagination. Americans are just plain out of money, and the government cannot seem to comprehend that, but reality is reality and it will soon stop us by mere force. To that end our military might will stop in the same way that the USSR's did; they did not have the money to continue to build at the rate they needed too. We will be the same way. In the Reagan years they had a big pot of cash to steal from, and did via the big pool of money the baby boomers paid in to the Social Security System. It allowed us to build our military might up, and beat the Russians at the Cold War, but now we are paying the price for that as the birth rate fails to keep up with those taking in from the system with baby boomers retiring and the pot of social security money have been stolen, and my generation which feels they are entitled to everything.

As our super power influence continues to erode, and even more vile world will grow in power, particularly China. Its economy is growing at a staggering rate and its need for oil will surpass even ours. Since our morals are still strong, and we have stood up against human rights violations, as well as standing up for Israel, our own need for oil will strangle us as China makes packs with two strong opponents. The European Union which will realize part of itself is leaching off itself, will reunite with only ten strong members and have incredible influence in the world. Part of that is because they are not nearly dependent on oil as the rest of the world is, though granted they will still need some for its own formidable war machine.

At the same time, Russia, with its own well stocked supply of oil will become a superpower again unfortunately. With a powerful thirst for oil, China will make packs with Russia; for its oil and strength which will be needed to gain the oil reserves that the middle east has. And those reserves are stout; for instance Iraq has only 2000 well heads driven into its reserves while in comparison Texas has over a million. And Iran has huge reserves that are not only largely untapped, but uncharted as well...they stand on top of a lot of oil...oil a thirty world will need. Without question the middle east will be of interest to everyone; from the North, from the east and even from the south as Egypt and Libya; with their smaller amounts of oil reserves hope to gain more influence on the national stage.

Ultimately the quest for the oil stems from a quest for power, because oil will run the military machine. Even if we were to start gearing up our military for nuclear readiness, it would take decades to replace the oil powered military equipment that exists today. Russia, with its military know how and own oil reserves will trade what it does have, for what it does not have: food. This will most likely come from China who have the land reserves and people to run a military of size and be able to feed them. As is, with their form of National Guard, they have a two million person Army; which is a number with incredible significance.

All this will be a quest for power and no doubt be centered where the money is: the middle east. Naturally the World Bank will be centered there and will ultimately deal out cash to the rest of the world. Welcome to the one world order.

A grand analysis! Thanks for taking the time to post that NoSmoke!!!

Great post NS . One thing that has changed greatly in the last 4 or 5 yrs is our own gas and oil in the Shale regions. That may just be enough for us to maintain some strength. Our govt just has to realize that as well. We do have enough to be energy independent. But yet we still kiss the asses of other countries for their oil.

If NS is correct in his theory (and I believe he is prolly closer to reality than most of us would like to admit) then our future is not all that promising. The time it takes for this senario to play out is the biggest question.