Petit godin coal?

Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: Chiefcamper On: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:44 pm

vmi1983 wrote:I am about ready to install the Large round Godin. Since the grate is off-axis, towards the fire-door, how in the heck, do you remove the ash rear and sides?
It would seem to me I would have to shovel out the ash back of the front grate. That would require the door to be open, right?

To Be honest with you Godin Users, I am a bit
confused :? Or say I use the poker under and up through the grate and remove the ash, what about all the remaing ash in the bottom rear? Does the ash somehow tumble
forward onto that undersized grate. My guess is that it could not :?:


You know, I would really appreciate if a kind person would upload a video or step by step procedure on maintaing a Godin. I have read every post on NEPA and as I see it,
one must open the Grate access door and use a small shovel or tool to remove the ash, right? Given the small grate and limited access to the rear of the stove my experience
tells me the stove would become ash-bound.

The other idea :idea: that has popped in my head, is PERHAPS, the fire (majority fire/ash) must be pulled forward onto the grate BEFORE recharging, trying not to disturb the fire so much,( this would require a flat sided tool long enough to extend easily from the top-loading door)
then shake down the excess ash and load staggered fresh coal into the rear of the cylinder. I am told in the Godin, coal burn pattern is front-to-rear.

I don't know?

Thanks


Hey VMI,

You won't have to poke from under the grate.

I can't up load a video at this time. Maybe this weekend???? I'd have to make one first :) but if you are willing to wait I could prolly do it.

I have the Oval and it's the same deal, yes when you shake it down you shovel out the ashes that the pan doesn't sit under. Not a huge deal for me since it's my first coal stove.

The rear of my stove seem throws more heat and it's usually an inch or two above the front door. Well with the air inlet there in front would be cause for the cooler temps.

Like I said I had only one bad experience with opening the grate so I don't do it. Yes the ash does accumulate somewhat just behind the front grate.

I can give you a short version of what I do while tending.

1) Slide a butterknife between the top cast lid and the upper stove lip, not too big of a gap, but it creates an overfire draft and prevents puffback while adding coal or opening the front door with my particular piping and setup. I've found it to be tried and true for my setup so that's what I do. If I don't I can almost guaruntee a puffback. Usually the lid, occasionally thru the front grate.

2) open door and gently poke thru the front grate slots. Watch for falling ash and coals. Leave some ash on the bottom grates. Close the front door and shake until I don't feel the friction of falling ash, watching so the front doesn't totally fill with bright embers. When poking I pull the pan partially out a few inches to catch the ash coming out of the front. The pan when pulled out will catch almost all of the ash. Try not to poke around too much thru hot embers. Poke all the way in a few times. I don't worry too much about disturbing this section since there should be plenty more on top. Let some fall as you poke but not too much.

3) repeat the poke, close door and shake (step 2) until there are glowing embers front and an inch or two from the bottom grate. If you feel crunchy hard coals stop poking there and go a little lower.

4) Remove pan from from the stove, bump it up against the stove's ceramic ash catch and shovel it out into the pan. It's easy to shovel clean where the pan will go. As far as any other areas I just get the substantial amounts of ash. Not that big of a deal to have it sterile in there and waste time w the door open, just get most of it and clear out well for the pan.

5) Replace pan, close door, fill to bottom of exhaust (or a little less)

6) close top lid still using the butterknife for a gap and wait about 15 minutes till the coal warms up.

7) remove butterknife, close both lids.

Yeah Gotta Love the Butterknife but it works :)

Just a sidenote: When poking I start low at each slot and work up , as you run along the bottom grate/shaker you will see a lot of fine ash fall. You will always end up with some ash forming right at the window. Makes sense I guess, that's the first to get room temp air. Don;t worry about 'Moving' the burn to the front of the grate, it will fall from above as you poke the ash.

This is just what I do. I can accomplish the whole thing in about 5 minutes or so (plus the fifteen minute wait after adding coal) and do it when I wake up and an hour or 2 before I go to sleep. (times vary greatly)

There are probably some here that don't poke it at all or have rituals that are much different, but I've found that without poking through the front, my stove just eventually clogs up with ash.

Hope This Helped Some.

Joe
Last edited by Chiefcamper on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:18 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:15 am

Chiefcamper wrote:
vmi1983 wrote:I am about ready to install the Large round Godin. Since the grate is off-axis, towards the fire-door, how in the heck, do you remove the ash rear and sides?
It would seem to me I would have to shovel out the ash back of the front grate. That would require the door to be open, right?

To Be honest with you Godin Users, I am a bit
confused :? Or say I use the poker under and up through the grate and remove the ash, what about all the remaing ash in the bottom rear? Does the ash somehow tumble
forward onto that undersized grate. My guess is that it could not :?:


You know, I would really appreciate if a kind person would upload a video or step by step procedure on maintaing a Godin. I have read every post on NEPA and as I see it,
one must open the Grate access door and use a small shovel or tool to remove the ash, right? Given the small grate and limited access to the rear of the stove my experience
tells me the stove would become ash-bound.

The other idea :idea: that has popped in my head, is PERHAPS, the fire (majority fire/ash) must be pulled forward onto the grate BEFORE recharging, trying not to disturb the fire so much,( this would require a flat sided tool long enough to extend easily from the top-loading door)
then shake down the excess ash and load staggered fresh coal into the rear of the cylinder. I am told in the Godin, coal burn pattern is front-to-rear.

I don't know?

Thanks


Hey VMI,

You won't have to poke from under the grate.

I can't up load a video at this time. Maybe this weekend???? I'd have to make one first :) but if you are willing to wait I could prolly do it.

I have the Oval and it's the same deal, yes when you shake it down you shovel out the ashes that the pan doesn't sit under. Not a huge deal for me since it's my first coal stove.

The rear of my stove seem throws more heat and it's usually an inch or two above the front door. Well with the air inlet there in front would be cause for the cooler temps.

Like I said I had only one bad experience with opening the grate so I don't do it. Yes the ash does accumulate somewhat just behind the front grate.

I can give you a short version of what I do while tending.

1) Slide a butterknife between the top cast lid and the upper stove lip, not too big of a gap, but it creates an overfire draft and prevents puffback while adding coal or opening the front door with my particular piping and setup. I've found it to be tried and true for my setup so that's what I do. If I don't I can almost guaruntee a puffback. Usually the lid, occasionally thru the front grate.

2) open door and gently poke thru the front grate slots. Watch for falling ash and coals. Leave some ash on the bottom grates. Close the front door and shake until I don't feel the friction of falling ash, watching so the front doesn't totally fill with bright embers. When poking I pull the pan out to catch the ash coming out of the front. The pan when pulled out will catch almost all of the ash. Try not to poke around too much thru hot embers. Poke all the way in a few times. I don't worry too much about disturbing this section since there should be plenty more on top. Let some fall as you poke but not too much.

3) repeat the poke, close door and shake (step 2) until there are glowing embers front and an inch or two from the bottom grate. If you feel crunchy hard coals stop poking there and go a little lower.

4) Remove pan from from the stove, bump it up against the stove's ceramic ash catch and shovel it out into the pan. It's easy to shovel clean where the pan will go. As far as any other areas I just get the substantial amounts of ash. Not that big of a deal to have it sterile in there and waste time w the door open, just get most of it and clear out well for the pan.

5) Replace pan, close door, fill to bottom of exhaust (or a little less)

6) close top lid still using the butterknife for a gap and wait about 15 minutes till the coal warms up.

7) remove butterknife, close both lids.

Yeah Gotta Love the Butterknife but it works :)

This is just what I do. I can accomplish the whole thing in about 5 minutes or so (plus the fifteen minute wait after adding coal) and do it when I wake up and an hour or 2 before I go to sleep. (times vary greatly)

There are probably some here that don't poke it at all or have rituals that are much different, but I've found that without poking through the front, my stove just eventually clogs up with ash.

Hope This Helped Some.

Joe



Hey Joe,

Thanks for your reply! I very much appreciate your effort and clear instructions. The butter knife is very cleaver! Believe me, I would absolutely love to see a video!!!
There are many Godin users in the world and I have not seen any videos on it. When I got the Vigilant up and running last year, I was able to easily understand how to operate the unit thanks to VigII PeaBurner and Nortcan. I gotts to see how the Godin works!! Thanks so much!!!

Matt
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: Chiefcamper On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:38 am

vmi1983 wrote:Hey Joe,

Thanks for your reply! I very much appreciate your effort and clear instructions. The butter knife is very cleaver! Believe me, I would absolutely love to see a video!!!
There are many Godin users in the world and I have not seen any videos on it. When I got the Vigilant up and running last year, I was able to easily understand how to operate the unit thanks to VigII PeaBurner and Nortcan. I gotts to see how the Godin works!! Thanks so much!!!

Matt


Yeah, I searched YooToobe and there was only one Godin Video of a Guy burning wood in an Oval. (one plus of having a Godin :) ) But not very instructional. The acoustic Guitar wasn't bad either :)

Glad I could help some. Just re-read my post since I edited slightly for clarity.

I'll try to get some video up Friday AM if possible
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:03 am

Chiefcamper wrote:
vmi1983 wrote:Hey Joe,

Thanks for your reply! I very much appreciate your effort and clear instructions. The butter knife is very cleaver! Believe me, I would absolutely love to see a video!!!
There are many Godin users in the world and I have not seen any videos on it. When I got the Vigilant up and running last year, I was able to easily understand how to operate the unit thanks to VigII PeaBurner and Nortcan. I gotts to see how the Godin works!! Thanks so much!!!

Matt


Yeah, I searched YooToobe and there was only one Godin Video of a Guy burning wood in an Oval. (one plus of having a Godin :) ) But not very instructional. The acoustic Guitar wasn't bad either :)

Glad I could help some. Just re-read my post since I edited slightly for clarity.

I'll try to get some video up Friday AM if possible


Hey Joe,

Got it! Thanks so much. I appreciate your help!

Matt
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: Chiefcamper On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:24 am

I got the video this evening.

Just trying to upload to yoooooootube.

Should be available tomorrow at some time.

I'll post up the links.

Joe
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:41 am

Chiefcamper wrote:I got the video this evening.

Just trying to upload to yoooooootube.

Should be available tomorrow at some time.

I'll post up the links.

Joe


Hey Joe! I'll look for it! Thanks! Matt!
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: mdrelyea On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:26 pm

rberq wrote:If you get Google to translate this from German to Japanese, then Japanese to French, then French to Hindi, then Hindi to Pakistani, then Pakistani to English, it makes perfect sense:

Ahoy there, Anastasia.
What for do you use the damn brickettes, right side up with brocolli or clinging to the sides of your beer stein? Brandy goes underneath and for everyday use brocolli is easier on your stinkhole. Bituminous coal is older than anthracite -- the branches were nice and even, flames work like hell to coddle you in your pupal or grub stage, Marcus.


This made my day! Hahahaha! :lol:
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:44 pm

Chiefcamper wrote:I got the video this evening.

Just trying to upload to yoooooootube.

Should be available tomorrow at some time.

I'll post up the links.

Joe



Hey Joe,

Great.. a few of the video segments are on You Tube.
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Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: nortcan On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:07 pm

mdrelyea wrote:
rberq wrote:If you get Google to translate this from German to Japanese, then Japanese to French, then French to Hindi, then Hindi to Pakistani, then Pakistani to English, it makes perfect sense:

Ahoy there, Anastasia.
What for do you use the damn brickettes, right side up with brocolli or clinging to the sides of your beer stein? Brandy goes underneath and for everyday use brocolli is easier on your stinkhole. Bituminous coal is older than anthracite -- the branches were nice and even, flames work like hell to coddle you in your pupal or grub stage, Marcus.


This made my day! Hahahaha! :lol:


Just French is perfect for me :lol:
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: rockwood On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:31 pm

I'm guessing these are the videos...?
http://www.youtube.com/user/BDX2BDX2?feature=watch
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:02 pm

rockwood wrote:I'm guessing these are the videos...?
http://www.youtube.com/user/BDX2BDX2?feature=watch


Yep! It's good to see a few Godin uploads to You Tube. I hope the other segments make it.
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Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: vmi1983 On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:15 pm

Joe,

Thanks for the Godin instructional You tube videos! Easy, simple method.... nice job!

Here's the link Godin lovers:\

http://www.youtube.com/user/BDX2BDX2?feature=watch

Matt
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Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite


Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: echos67 On: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:55 am

Hey Chief, Great videos, I responded to the other thread that had a link to the videos as well.
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Re: Petit godin coal?

PostBy: Trry On: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:36 am

Great video. I have a Godin Round, and use the same method, but since my stove is round, I need to reach further back into the stove to get at the ashes in the rear of the stove. I use a 30 inch length of copper pipe I had laying around. I flattened a half inch on one end, so ash doesn't run up the pipe, and bent it 90 degrees. I insert it between the front gate members and sort of drill it to the back of the stove. Then I rake out what I can, moving as much to the front as I can. This is not totally successful, but it gets enough ash out to let the stove function well. Then I shake until all I have left is some unbroken nuggets on the grate. Then I DO lower the front and shovel out what rests there. Carefully, and I don't disturb the "bridge" above. I then close the front gate, and then insert a totally flattened piece of copper pipe with about an inch and a half of "L" at the end and rake at the bridge. This causes more ash and nuggets to fall. I then shake that out, and if there are some nuggets left that do not crush and fall, I leave them there. Seems to work well, and it takes about 10 minutes total. I do this each morning and each night. I fill the stove about half way or a bit more usually, and I am done, once the vent and damper are set, following a short time to allow the new coal to light.
I am thinking of developing an auger to try to get more of that ash out of the back of the stove; if I so I will let everyone know how that works.
To some folks this may seem like a bit of work, and it is more work than my old Harmon used to make me do, but it is a lot easier than splitting and stacking wood, hauling that in the house, stacking it again, and tending the fire every few hours. Plus, my house is much more comfortable ALL the time, not just when the wood is burning at it's optimal stage.
These days I go out to my coal bin on Saturday morning and carry in enough coal for the week. Fifteen minutes. Nice.
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