Carbon Monoxide...FURNACE LEAKING CO...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:24 pm

CoaLen wrote:We're kinda ganging up on this guy and some are shooting from the hip while doing it, even though with the best of intentions.

I agree the pipe length is excessive and too many bends, but let's make sure we give accurate and necessary advice.



Yes it may appear that we are ganging up a little. But this is some serious "chit" that we are concerned with here.

From the pics posted, it "appears that there is not enough clearance to combustibles.

From the pics posted it appears that there may be gas lines too close to the flue pipe.

From the pics posted it appears that the termination of the flue pipe is sealed with spray foam type sealer.

From the pics posted it appears that there are too many joints and maybe not connected properly.

The original poster stated that he was getting CO readings in his house after a few hours of running. This is nothing to be screwing with. We may be jumping to some conclusions but I think the majority of us are just concerned with his safety and that of his family.

I apologize if I may have jumped on him too hard but I don't want to read his name in the paper.





Rick
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:27 pm

CoaLen wrote:We're kinda ganging up on this guy and some are shooting from the hip while doing it, even though with the best of intentions.
Here's what Keystoker has to say on page 1 of the installation instructions about routing the 4" vent pipe:

3. Select a position on a solid level surface. On non-masonry floors, use an approved fireproof protector under stove. Maintain 16” clearance from side of stove to combustibles. Maintain 6” clearance from 4” pipe to combustible. Clearance from 6” black wall pass thru pipe is 0” to combustibles.


I agree the pipe length is excessive and too many bends, but let's make sure we give accurate and necessary advice.


I also agree some respect to the pipe needs heeded.. This is a 160,000 BTU furnace with a 6" flue pipe (according to the manual I just looked up) If for some reason that furnace over fires due to a malfunction or that pipe gets hot from a long call for heat, there is definitely the possibility of disaster. I'm not yer average doom and gloomer but that whole set up is bad. I praise his effort to post pictures and ask questions..
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:31 pm

As you can tell I am a rookie at this! until we changed the pipes out yesterday, the only other change from last year was we extended the exhaust pipe that comes out of house another 8 inches to avoid slight staining of brick.


You added 8" to the top of the tee?
or added 8"of pipe and then the tee?
You got back pressure and/or a leak...
is the extra outdoor pipe clear of ash or snow?
The exaust looks long is it within spec for the direct vent fan?
Add the length of pipe plus the number of tee's and 90*'s and ask the MFG...
If it worked last year with no issues the only change is the outdoor pipe?
You had a manometer on it since the extra outdoor pipe?
The other stuff can be fixed at some point but i think the pictures may distort the actual distances...
To humor everyone what is the distance to the wood and gas pipe?
The CO issue must be fixed NOW...
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:53 pm

HEY! lets pay attention please :lol:

eddieh wrote:Yes...the pipes are squeaky clean....Actually, we totally replaced all the vent piping yesterday....just to make sure there was not a leak somewhere...this has me totally baffled and frustrated.


We don't know how they were configured last year...
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: Keepaeyeonit On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:37 pm

Eddieh,don't take the things people here are saying too lightly and please don't get defensive about it just get that stuff taken care of,you have mutiable conditions that are very serious and need to be addressed immediately,opinions may very on things but were all on the same page when it comes to safety,so please shut her down and keep it down until those things are resolved,and remember your families safety is at stake(or who ever lives in the house)and please keep us posted on your progress.Keepaeyeonit :)
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:52 pm

Hopefully eddieh shut it down, been 4 1/2 hrs. or better somebody p.m. and went over. The silence is deafening, god speed.
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: eddieh On: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:28 am

We are all fine....stove has been off since mid afternoon yesterday....I am consulting with others and will get things switched around before I use it again. Thank you to everyone who helped. I will keep you posted.
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: vulcan On: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:06 am

Its good to hear that eddieh its better to be safe than sorry. Sometimes we seem to get off track here but the bottom line is safety and we need to be sure that is addressed first.
This board is a tremendous resource and learning tool and I know I wouldn't have been able to install my koker without using it. I spent at least 6 months reading on here and checking which unit was right for me before deciding on a koker. So far I am very happy and saving money. I still have alot to learn as I recently experienced a hopper fire by tinkering to much and trying to save coal. Once again with help from the board I learned what not to do and also how to replace my cam and seal the grate. I have been running strong for about a month now after that.
Use the board as a resource and learning tool and listen because it is amazing how many members we have with a vast amount of knowledge that can help out.
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Re: CO2 PROBLEMS...FURNACE LEAKING CO2...NO CLUE WHY OR WHERE

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:42 am

eddieh, good man and excellent decision :)

As Vulcan stated, we all help each other and safety is number one! This site has helped me more than I can say and has armed many with knowledge to keep safe and warm :)
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