New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Planning to build a new home in Maryland with an onsite sewage disposal system? (septic system) Well plan on it costing you $11,000.00-$14,000.00 more now since new regualtions have gone into effect 1/1/13. It will now require a nitrogen removal system which accounts for the extra cost.

This was done under the pretense of helping clean up the Chesapeake Bay. The sad truth is that residential septic systems are really not the problem. The real problem is farm run off. Farmers have lobbied and sued to keep regulations from requiring them to control their run off. Also our petty little democratic governor wanted to punish those bad republican counties who never voted for him.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... 4911.story

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... 154.column
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:49 pm

wow... out of control! like its not hard enough already for folks. time to invest in w/e company makes those BAT tanks LOL.
I though MA laws were stringent :shock: I sure hope this does not start creeping around to other states :mad:
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Doing a septic tank here in the Commonwealth of Taxachusetts can set you back 30 to 50g's. Depending on tank size, the leach field, proximity to "wetlands" and other such issues. If your tank is under your driveway it could be an easy 5 to 10'gs just to re pave your driveway once the work is done.

It is called the dreaded "title 5" here in Taxachusetts. Doug, I am sure since you are in Real Estate you have heard of that little beauty. And you know damn well if the fellow lefto wacko's down in Maryland are doing it the NutJobs on Beacon Hill will be following suit and soon at that. Liberalism at its finest... :x

Much cheaper to go with Composting Toilets and a graywater system that redo a septic system... :D
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: plumb-r On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:47 pm

Welcome to Maryland :mad: . It gets worse too. They have adopted and starting enforcing no lead laws on all brass, adopted new building code requiring , all hot water piping to be insulated, 2x6 exterior wall or 2x4 with 1/2 wood sheathing and 1/2 foil faced sheathing. They also have adopted residential fire sprinkler, which can cost 5 to 12 thousand. They have basicly added at least $30,000to $40,000 to a house. I don't live in Maryland since they started a FLUSH TAX :wtf: . I only work there now. :D
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PostBy: Boots On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:34 pm

That is nuts. i was looking to build a house here in pa toward the end of 2011. then found out that if i did not have my building plans approved before 2012 that i would have to install a sprinkler system. I went and found a house i liked amd bought it instead. i payed more than i wanted too but i did nit have to full with any of that BS.
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:50 pm

coalkirk wrote:Planning to build a new home in Maryland with an onsite sewage disposal system? (septic system) Well plan on it costing you $11,000.00-$14,000.00 more now since new regualtions have gone into effect 1/1/13. It will now require a nitrogen removal system which accounts for the extra cost.

This was done under the pretense of helping clean up the Chesapeake Bay. The sad truth is that residential septic systems are really not the problem. The real problem is farm run off. Farmers have lobbied and sued to keep regulations from requiring them to control their run off. Also our petty little democratic governor wanted to punish those bad republican counties who never voted for him.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... 4911.story

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... 154.column



Part of your water shed starts right in my back yard. Next time I am taking a a Piss I will think about MD. :D Actually I liked it on the East side of the bay a lot of great people we were towing a hang glider behind the boat down there for a summer. Good times. I remember the Red Eye Dock Bar.
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:11 pm

We saw those laws advancing up the coast and they always originate from Liberal bastions. It's intent is to prohibit development as much or more then protect the environment. It only prohibits the development by normal people, as the well to do just laugh and pay it anyways. Sort of like not being able to cut any shrubs or weeds etc within 100 ft. of the shore of any lake, river, or ocean. I have seen the well to do just strip it right down to the shore and hand them a check and say get lost. And many of these people then turn into environuts trying to stop anyone else from doing it. Almost all rules handed down from upper gov. fails to get the desired effect, or does it? Lets change that to the stated effect! The sewer system here in Chattanooga is a mess, and the feds are stepping in. Another good reason to move across the state line to Georgia.
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PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:59 pm

Gad zooks! Now I know why the Maine license plates say "The way life should be". I put a septic system in year before last. I was going to do it myself until a reputable fellow offered to do it, complete with all permits, for $3,600. I told Marty "Write that man a check!". He did a beautiful job. But... most systems do run about 7 or 8 grand. It happened he could do our cheap as the soil was perfect and he owned a nearby gravel pit. But.... 40 grand? That's NUTS!! I didn't pay that to build our entire house, well and septic included!
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:17 pm

People wonder why I never pump my tank. All set with that *censored* - no pun intended.
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:31 pm

Eastern Shore farm run off is not the big problem either, it is runoff from upstream farms in the Susquehanna watershed. Also the Conowingo dam being full of sediment is another huge contributor to the poor Bay health. Funny thing is that the govie's do not want to dredge out all the sediment behind the dam so it can start trapping sediment and nitrogen like it is supposed to. I guess the POCO that owns the dam has a better lobby than the farmland owner who just saw his property values drop like a rock because of the septic system cost increase.
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:41 pm

Sounds to me like the manufacturer of the nitrogen removal system made a heavy donation to Obama's re-election campaign. Palms are getting greased, & we are getting *censored*, as usual.
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Re: New law for septic systems 1/1/13 $$$$

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:51 pm

titleist1 wrote:Eastern Shore farm run off is not the big problem either, it is runoff from upstream farms in the Susquehanna watershed. Also the Conowingo dam being full of sediment is another huge contributor to the poor Bay health. Funny thing is that the govie's do not want to dredge out all the sediment behind the dam so it can start trapping sediment and nitrogen like it is supposed to. I guess the POCO that owns the dam has a better lobby than the farmland owner who just saw his property values drop like a rock because of the septic system cost increase.



That was my point the water shed starts up here and they ( the local govt in MD ) again like most other areas cant see the Forrest through the trees. Another bright idea to stick it to the economy with no actual results except higher costs to the little guys. After the floods last year and what washed down to the bay is probably 100s of times what they will stop with that new regulation. More red tape.
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PostBy: wilder11354 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:42 pm

Hey.. when they do start cleaning up the sediment from behind that damn, ask them to truck it on up here. Like to spread that nutrient rich/ nitrogen laiden stuff on the fields of the farm. Second time around it will be better for next trip downstream, less nitrogen, and better crop yields for me. toothy
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:19 pm

wilder11354 wrote:Hey.. when they do start cleaning up the sediment from behind that damn, ask them to truck it on up here. Like to spread that nutrient rich/ nitrogen laiden stuff on the fields of the farm. Second time around it will be better for next trip downstream, less nitrogen, and better crop yields for me. toothy




LOL :rofl:
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PostBy: Dennis On: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:56 am

The water shed program is working and helping out great,and at a great expense.Fish,birds and wildlife population has come back good.Yea,I know I sound like a lefty loon, but the maryland blue claw are the best tasting.I had to install sewer lines at my house and the septic system was 50% more cost.
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