Do you own your home?

Just an offshoot of the other thread. I didn't want to take it totally off topic.

I allege that since you pay the government to use your house/property every year, that you are merely renting it. Miss a payment, and see who owns it.

Just because the landlord doesn't object to some of the stuff you do, doesn't mean you'll always get away with it and stories like this illustrate my point.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/07/legal ... d-freedom/

Several weeks ago, the City of Orlando notified us that our vegetable garden violated the city’s antiquated local ordinances. Either tear up the vegetable garden, they said, or else. The “or else” the city is referring to is a draconian system of penalties that would subject us to fines of up to $500 per day. This in a city that claims it strives to be the “greenest city in America.”

What was their "crime"? They planted vegetables in their FRONT yard. For that, they are looking at a $500/day fine.

Sorry folks. I just don't believe in the existence of "private" property in this country.

The facade of private ownership is the hallmark of fascism. It is the essential thing separating it from what we would more commonly refer to as socialism. I believe the idea behind it is that those serfs of the state who believe themselves to be free are generally found to be more productive to the ends of the state than those who do not, and the conception of private ownership makes one believe that they are free.

Wow.
Larry, do you really consider yourself to be a "serf of the state"?
What a sad way to piss away your life.

CoaLen wrote:Wow.
Larry, do you really consider yourself to be a "serf of the state"?
What a sad way to piss away your life.

I believe that the government as it exists today sees me as a serf of the state. What makes you feel differently? Are you free to use and dispose of your property as you choose? Can your children go without inoculations? Can your children get alternative treatments for cancer at your bidding? Are you free to opt out of social security? Ditto for income taxes? Property taxes? Obamacare? Can you drive a car without permits and a license? Etc...?

I own 2 out right. But the answer is NO. In fact, the state just stole most of mine, but I continue to pay rent on it at the same rate even though the value is diminished and I don't have the full rights that were associated with the property historically. Sort of like my deed to the middle of the river.

Kevin

Also, can you "legally" get married without first obtaining the permission of the state?

Oh I am full of stories Fred for such a young fella.

Kevin

Fred, you should read the first few chapters of the tome I put up yesterday about the German and American inflation parallels. You are the people that stayed loyal to the state(Germany) until the money finally just crashed and was absolutely valueless other then to wipe your ass. If someone is continually punching me in the face, or stealing my lunch, I am POSITIVE I will have a reaction. It might be construed as a negative one however. As old as you are, do you not see the reduction in over all freedom and more encumbrances on daily life of the vast majority of people? If not, I don't know where you grew up or what happened in 'Nam. Are the examples listed above by Larry and Jpete not examples of freedoms lost or taxed or requiring permission to do them?
My land was stolen by legislation. The usual way. For the greater good. But it is mine to pay taxes on.
Hey, lets say you owned a truck with those nice wheels and tires that go for about $2500 and the state came in and said nope, can't have them anymore, and just took them. You can keep the truck and by the way, the value of the truck is the same as before, so the taxes are the same. Now, would you feel you were being treated fairly? How about if you only paid $4000 for the truck and the tires and wheels were the most valuable thing about it?
They are already taxing my brother for his view. Now that is arbitrary.

Kevin

No, I don't own my home. The bank does.

I think everyone on here needs a hug. Everyone is so tense.

I'm On Fire wrote:I think everyone on here needs a hug. Everyone is so tense.

HAHAHAHA I'll take a hug from any one of the naked women I saw on the internet last night.

I heard in Ireland you own your house and that's it. I dunno.

Hey Jpete, you moan about injustice, put up pics of your gun practice, so I bet you jumped through the hoops like everybody else.

Smokyja has a good bible quote as his signature I'm glad I read it.

150 million people died in wars in the 20th century, I count myself lucky, despite all the injustices that are being slowly and steadily perpetrated on decent folks in the USA.

The Romans kept the roman baths going for 400 years, 50,000 citizens at a time could bathe in one of them. They gathered wood for the fires from all over europe. Then I guess they declined into moral decay and unbridled immigration....
This town here is getting ruined from overdevelopment and liberal policies. I'm free to move elsewhere if I have the gumption.

Flash news bulletin Larry; you're free to seek better accomodations anywhere in the civilized world.
I maintain the property here, the landlords pay the exhorbitant taxes, highest in the nation. If I want the joy of homeownership, I'll either have to get my act together, or look in PA or Maine for a tolerable life.
And while we all hang out here and share our experiences in this virtual clubhouse; The King of the Parisites continues his evil plans...

I gotta go help put on the new barn roof today, pics to follow.

The bank does.

Really?? If you stop paying your taxes does the bank foreclose? I don' think so.
However, in todays world, usually the taxes and such are forced on you within your house payment(escrow). Isn't this a cozy arrangement with the banks and gov?
Or are the banks the gov?
Like I said, I own 2 lock, stock, and barrel. But I pay almost $4000/year for the privilege.
I know it pays for schools, etc. Actually, in my little town, over 85% is for schools. The rest is admin of town, little for FD. County tax in there for Sheriff patrol.

Let me tell you another story.
When I lost my shop and another large outbuilding, the Volunteer fire dept. showed up in good season. They sprayed a little water at it and watched it burn and made sure it didn't spread. Not their fault, it was just to big and hot. Now, this is a great group of guys, taking time out from their work to come help. BUT, in rural Maine, OSHA is cracking down on bubba fire departments. It is no longer legal to organize and train and do what you can to help your neighbors. Some dumbass put a picture in the Bangor Daily with a cell phone pic and there was a guy with no turnout gear holding a fire hose. Here comes OSHA! As luck would have it, the guy was not a member of the fire dept. Just a neighbor lending a helping hand as they were short on people. Nothing they could do right??? Ohhhhh no. They went through all town properties because they were pissed, and ending up fining the town some outrageous sum. SO, the gov. that is supposed to be supporting and facilitating for US(the people), is now counterproductive to the point of stealing our tax dollars to support their own warped agenda. OSHA is supported by fines it collects to make it stay aggressive. It is exactly in the same vein as Fed and State gov making mandates about services and school programs, etc, without funding them. YOU will do this, and you will pay for it.

Tense?? Nothing but the facts. Some people just can't see that they are being milked like livestock.

Kevin

It's not only the government...

Homeowner associations also have the ability to foreclose on properties for missing HA dues. Cracks me up when I see people suing or getting sued because of the color they painted their front door or if the color of their drapes violates some rule they signed up for when they bought their house. All in the name of property value protection. I think they forgot that if the house is foreclosed on and somebody buys it for .30 per $1 that also has an effect on property values!

It's also insurance companies...

It's also mortgage companies...

The list goes on.....in all cases it is the choice of the "owner" to live where they live and abide by the rules they signed up for by living there.

Klook, what difference does it make? If I stop paying the taxes it means I've stopped paying my mortgage and the bank will come take it. As long as I pay they leave me be.

Look, I've got a roof over my head, a beautiful wife great children and coal to keep me warm. Sure, I've had some rough patches and I'm not the most pisitive person but I'm doing all right. That's good enough for me. I'm seriously thinking some of you might be taking this a bit too far. It might do you all good to take a step back and relax. You are all heading for heart attacks and anuerisms. Yes, there is a lot of bad *censored* going on right now. But, is it so bad that you're all willing to stress out over it to the point of a heart attack? The sun still rises and you all wake each day. Take care in that.