NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: 331camaro On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:50 pm

in total disbelief. this isnt going to fix the problem. just make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. armed march anyone?
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: steamup On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:06 pm

Cuomo rammed this one through quickly. It was kept quiet until unveiled in the Senate. He invoked a legal priviledge to eliminate the 3 day waiting period between the Senate and the Assembly to limit the ability of people to react.

No confiscation my ass. You have to give up your already owned magazine clips or face what - confiscation and arrest!

Another case of NYC mandating to the rest of NY.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:11 pm

You guys are the guinea pigs of the nation. They're gauging your reaction ... because guess what guys - the rest of America is next.

They WANT you to react. Everyone needs to stay calm & be willing to sit in jail, rather than go out with guns blazing. They WANT you to react, take to the streets or try to storm Albany. IF anyone does that, we lose. Remember - there aren't enough jails to hold all of us. We need to stick together on this!
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: 331camaro On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:37 pm

smitty your right man. at first i feel outraged and ready to go stomping around the streets :rambo: but that will only do more harm than good. i know there are alot of people out there like steam up and myself that are in one hell of a perdicament right now.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:48 pm

Remember, their law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. On that, you have no obligation to turn anything in, or to disclose what you have. This is the route I will take, & hope everyone else does as well. There's always strength in numbers.

There's been a million times I;ve wanted to punch my monitor, or burn that Jimmy of mine ..... but I knew doing either would cost me money. Had to be smart about it. ;)

Also remember it's nature's and GOD'S law that you have a RIGHT to self defense. Nobody has the authority to take that from you.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:55 pm

Rigar wrote:Sadly...gun ownership for us New Yorkers is going to change drastically...
.. and it is my opinion that part of Cuhomos agenda is to run for president in 2016...
... probably against Obama himself!
... state by state... this nation is falling apart


thats nothing... how do you think the poor gun owners in Conn are going fair :cry:
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:00 pm

MA will probably try to outdo NY. We're usually the leaders in idiotic laws. I'm sure the dopes on Beacon Hill won't stand for being outdone .... :roll:
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:29 pm

How come you can not find any specifics on this bill? They pushed this threw so fast there is gonna be a lotta small print to read. Ammunition sales recorded? "run background checks on buyers of bullets and keep an electronic database of bullet sales." No more thumbhole stocks for that varmit rifle or 10/22. can't have that 10 round clip for the 22 either, or for your Ruger MARK 1, 2,3 . PA won't try any of this crap.

Bans possession of any high-capacity magazines regardless of when they were made or sold. Only clips able to hold up to seven rounds can be sold in the state. Clips able to hold seven to 10 rounds can be possessed, but cannot be loaded with more than seven rounds. If an owner is found to have eight or more bullets in a magazine, he or she could face a misdemeanor charge.

Requires ammunition dealers to do background checks, similar to those for gun buyers. Dealers are required to report all sales, including amounts, to the state. Internet sales of ammunition are allowed, but the ammunition will have to be shipped to a licensed dealer in New York state for pickup.

Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state.

"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," Republican Sen. Greg Ball, who represents part of the Hudson Valley, said Monday, according to the AP. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."

In New Jersey, one of 18 new gun bills submitted to the legislature would require gun buyers to submit to a psychological evaluation. A bill requiring gun owners to register annually, and another requiring all guns to be kept in lock boxes when not in use may be introduced in California. While in Connecticut, state Sen. Beth Bye, wants to limit access to assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and require that firearms be registered by model and serial number.

There was an article on Marylands proposed bill but i can't find the link.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:48 pm

you MD guys better start writing. I was reading you guys may be next.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:55 pm

Dammit! I was hoping to purchase my first gun before Jersey imposed any new laws. Now by the time I get the wife to agree to it, there will be more retarded laws making it impossible. One jackass ruins it for everybody.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:04 pm

MD "would include a requirement for most prospective gun buyers to provide fingerprints to state police, undergo a background check and complete a mandatory gun-safety course in order to obtain an owner's permit."
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:13 pm

mozz wrote:MD "would include a requirement for most prospective gun buyers to provide fingerprints to state police, undergo a background check and complete a mandatory gun-safety course in order to obtain an owner's permit."



They are also looking at 1 round. Yes 1 round. As far as New york Everyone needs to go register the same day not over a year. Overload them with their own law.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:52 pm

A lot of this bill was stolen from Germany.

After 1945, the Allied Forces commanded the complete disarming of Germany. Even German police officers were initially not allowed to carry firearms. Private ownership of firearms was not allowed until after 1956. The legal status returned essentially to that of the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of 1928. The regulation of the matter was thoroughly revised in 1972, when the new restrictive Federal Weapons Act (Bundeswaffengesetz) became effective, partly as a reaction to the terror of the Red Army Faction.[8] It was developed in the Federal Weapons Act of 2002 and by amendments in 2008 and 2009. These laws were the result of a chain of school shootings in Erfurt, Emsdetten and Winnenden. They led to a public debate, in which blame was attributed to various elements of youth culture and society, including violent computer games, television programs, rock music and private gun ownership.[9]

The Weapons Act of 2002 increased the age requirements for licensed hunters and competition shooters. It also introduced the requirement of a psychological evaluation for persons under the age of 25 to fulfill the requirement of personal adequacy for large-bore firearms.

The first amendment became effective on April 1, 2008. The intention of that amendment was to ban certain kinds of weapons like airsoft-guns, tasers, so-called Anscheinswaffen (dummy-guns) and knives with blades longer than 12 cm from public places. They may still be carried in sealed wrappings and for professional or ceremonial purposes. Their use on private premises and in non-public places like gun clubs is not restricted.

The second amendment became effective on July 17, 2009. It introduced routine verifications of safe firearms storage by local firearms control offices at the homes of licensees. It also tightened the conditions for continuous necessity. A constitutional complaint (Verfassungsbeschwerde) was launched against the law, alleging a violation of the inviolability of the home, guaranteed by Art. 13 of the German constitution.[10]

The weapons law does not apply to military use of weapons within the Bundeswehr or to the police. The identity card of German troops and police officers contains a term allowing them to carry weapons. Nonetheless – within the military – issuance of guns and especially ammunition is very strictly controlled.

In Germany the possession of any firearm with a fire energy exceeding 7.5 Joule requires a valid firearms ownership license for any particular weapon. The current Federal Weapons Act adopts a two-tiered approach to firearms licensing.
Firearms ownership license

A firearms ownership license (Waffenbesitzkarte) must be obtained before a weapon can be purchased. Owners of multiple firearms need separate ownership licenses for every single firearm they own. It entitles owners to purchase firearms and handle them on their own property and any private property with property owner consent. On public premises, a licensed firearm must be transported unloaded and in a stable, fully enclosing, locked container. A weapons ownership license does not entitle the owner to shoot the weapon or carry it on public premises without the prescribed container. Owners must obtain mandatory insurance and a means to securely store the weapon on their premises (a weapons locker). Blanket ownership licenses are issued to arms dealers, firearms experts and – with limitations – to collectors. Today, there are ca. four million legal private gun owners.[11]

It goes on with

Persons who are
convicted felons
have a record of mental disorder or
are deemed unreliable (which includes people with drug or alcohol addiction histories and known violent or aggressive persons)
are barred from obtaining a firearms ownership license.

Link is here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:59 pm

If memory serves me correctly... MAGAZINES aren't required by law to be registered,nor serialized, if firearm came with one, give the one Hi cap mag it came with to them, or better yet sell it out of state, but don't say a word about the 30 other Hi cap mags you got laying around at home. One i did see was NY wants a background check to buy ammunition, now thats way over the bounds.
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Re: NY pro gun you may want to make yourself heard

PostBy: Rigar On: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:31 am

dcrane wrote:
Rigar wrote:Sadly...gun ownership for us New Yorkers is going to change drastically...
.. and it is my opinion that part of Cuhomos agenda is to run for president in 2016...
... probably against Obama himself!
... state by state... this nation is falling apart


thats nothing... how do you think the poor gun owners in Conn are going fair :cry:


sorry...and with all due respect...i dont get what youre saying.
Could you elaborate...?
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