What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

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What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: oros35 On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:30 pm

So do you think we would be discussing the same gun control subjects if the attack was a result of a terrorist group (such as Al Qaida or similar)

Is this a side effect of the effective War on Terror? Or is it an oversight of the War on Terror? Failing to address terrorists within our own society. A suicide bomber or a suicide school shooter are one in the same right? I don't know of many people wanting to comit sucide that are not in some way mentaly ill.
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:33 pm

Outstanding statement and perspective! 8-)

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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:54 pm

They'd post TSA at all the school entrances.
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: plumb-r On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:44 pm

That's a good way to look at things. You would think our government would recognize the possibility of this happening and come up with tighter security in schools. Silly me the terrorist will turn in there "assault weapons" when they come to the US. :(
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:38 pm

One conspiracy. Is the newtown shooter was co-horsed via computer. Hence why his computer was smashed to pieces.
Not my theory. Cant even say I believe it. But surely a possibility?
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Anything is possible. This government is capable of literally anything.
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:52 pm

jpete wrote:Anything is possible. This government is capable of literally anything.


Yes, but only if you re-tune your tinfoil hat. Not you personally, I mean the "disturbed shooter getting orders from "this" government.
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:19 am

Yeah, this is an excellent topic.

All the money spent, and laws enacted to fight terror under Bush (and then doubled-down on by Obama), and yet someone can freely walk into a school and create a massacre. :wtf:

AND the law abiding citizen is being punished for it .... :wtf: :wtf:
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:56 am

pretty much all schools across the nation are reviewing and making changes as we speak to some degree or another. I know locally the schools that can are installing camera's at all entry doors and placing new policies to parents about coming into the schools and the procedures for doing so... having said that, I dont think it would matter who did this horrific event in Conn... people and politicians would still want change to the definition and control of assault weapons (maybe only 1 extra life would be spared in the long run and so be it if that's the case!, less target & firing range "fun" for us BUT to save a life i will give up the "rush" of "fun" at the range).
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:27 am

people and politicians would still want change to the definition and control of assault weapons (maybe only 1 extra life would be spared in the long run and so be it if that's the case!, less target & firing range "fun" for us BUT to save a life i will give up the "rush" of "fun" at the range).


And there you have it, the classic fall back argument that if only 1 life is saved it is all worth it. Classic emotional response to justify everything under the sun to take something away from OTHER people. You are giving up NOTHING but my right to own one. You don't own one and are willing to sacrifice so hard, I know its hard, to save even one tiny life. Think of the children!
SO, yesterday a 16 years old walks into a California school with a shotgun. When is enough, enough and you want to ban shotguns? You do realize the kid had a pocket full of shells and there were 18 kids he could have shot. Guess how many likely would have died if he had intended it?
Your logic is old hat and flawed and leads down the road of total control by gov. and NO personal freedoms whatsoever.
I have said it before, but I'll restate it. A Superintendent of schools, really Liberal, told me, "People make poor decisions so we have to make them for them."
That is what you are saying. Give up your rights for the greater good. If it was a greater good, it would not be an inalienable right to start with.

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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: baddawg On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:10 am

What are cameras at the schools going to do?? really??

So dcrane, if just one life would be saved are you willing to give up you car,truck,motorcycle,bicycle,skateboard, whatever you use to get around? Should I have to give up mine, because that's the way YOU (your herd) think?
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:27 am

baddawg wrote:What are cameras at the schools going to do?? really??

So dcrane, if just one life would be saved are you willing to give up you car,truck,motorcycle,bicycle,skateboard, whatever you use to get around? Should I have to give up mine, because that's the way YOU (your herd) think?


If it was your child would you, just curious?
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: baddawg On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:34 am

Nope, and to answer you next question. If my kid shot himself, would I give up my guns then. Nope. If my kids were killed in a plane crash, would I demand that all planes be grounded? NOPE. Next Question :blah:
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:09 am

baddawg wrote:What are cameras at the schools going to do?? really??

So dcrane, if just one life would be saved are you willing to give up you car,truck,motorcycle,bicycle,skateboard, whatever you use to get around? Should I have to give up mine, because that's the way YOU (your herd) think?


I knew someone would respond with the whole "give up your car then" theory :D Answer: some things have a valid enough purpose or "need" in life that the risk is a necessity (cars, trucks, airplanes obviously fall into this category), however most people feel that their is no such "necessity" for people to own, use and play with assault weapons and hand grenades (therefor... it not worth human lives for us to enjoy this unnecessary play is what most Americans are thinking right now).

The subject of skateboards is a little different, I suppose if you could find enough cases on any kind of regular basis (like they do with assault weapons) in which skateboards are killing people (other then the person riding on them), then people might start talking about banning or limited their use by making laws that require auto stops that pop out if a rider is not on the board or banning their use on public streets. This example actually occurred with ski's as noted below...

after enough examples that Ski's were lethal weapons that were killing people other then the rider laws were put in place to protect the public and forced any ski's made, sold and used to have safety devices which stop the ski if it not under the control of the rider and to limit the point of the end as well as the angle... Enough examples that assault weapons were being used for the purposes of inflicting mass carnage and killing people they are placing new/updated laws to prevent the free rapid release of ammunition without pause as well as prevent the point/angle of amo to penetrate Armour! (see... other thing have gone through this same change) You didn't see the Ski people bitchin' did ya LOL

I would agree if their was a viable way to only make my AK47 workable within professional registered gun range boundaries that would probably be acceptable to the majority of the American people and the Gov as an alternative solution to this ongoing problem.... I just dont think thats a feasible option for us :cry:
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Re: What if: Terrorist attack rather than disturbed shooter

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:31 am

You seem to like to mention hand grenades and the like all the time. Facts are facts. Cars kill and maim people every day. Cars were never meant to kill they were meant for transportation. They are unsafe and innocent people are killed by them all the time. People kill people...............always have and always will.
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