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Just back from chores, foggier then all get out again. Horse is doing real well. It's close enough to their every 3 month worming so I did that just in case there are any blood or any other kinda worms floatin around inside anywhere..

baddawg wrote:NS, hope she just way to much to drink and not the flu. Not trying to ruin your day but, there were prob. more flu germs INSIDE the hospital.

FF, hows that horse doin? find anything in the pasture?

We got the fog today also. It's the whole eastern seaboard it seems based on the Aviation forcast. Got to drive to Ellsworth in a bit too. Need to allow a bit of extree time I guess.

I just took advantage of the warm weather to do a little cleaning in the Koker this morning.
Seems like I've got extra energy. Must be all the salty coffee I've had!

When pricing materials for the barn, the cheapest I could possibly get shingles for was $100 per square. Metal was 3x that.

SMITTY wrote:When pricing materials for the barn, the cheapest I could possibly get shingles for was $100 per square. Metal was 3x that.

Steel costs about 2.5 x or 3x the cost of shingles.. BUT will last a lifetime..

The modern coatings are usually good for 30++ years and it will still take 40-50 more years to rust through if not repainted.

AND if the roof is simple without lots of valleys and gables. the steel installs very fast.

Greg

Yup, steel all the way. It will go on my house in Maine next time it happens. Not that long as the IKO Chateau's are at least 17 years in now. I have some difficult areas as well as 4 skylights. They may go! But steel it will be.

Kevin

Here in Maine the price of metal roofing is pretty cheap because the Amish have a steel mill somewhere in PA and most of the siding comes from that plant. You can buy it off the local building suppliers, but you can cut them out of the picture if you just go to the local Amish Community and get the steel from them. A lot of people here are going to metal roofing for that reason; you can have the local Amish put it on your house for what it would cost just to buy it. A guy at church did that last week and it was cheaper having the Amish put it on his home then it was to even get it to his house by anyone else.

There is a catch though; because it would take so long to get the buggies back and forth, he had to go over and pick them up and then bring them back at the end of the day. But it it is the cheapest steel roofing option.

SteveZee wrote:
After that, I'm down to the garage and my little wood shop to fab up some inside storm windows I'd like to try out. The idea of the windows is simple. A wooden frame is made about ½ an inch smaller than the window frame it is to go in, and that frame is covered on both side with pieces of heat-shrink (polyolefin) plastic. Tape is used to cover the edge, the film is shrunk with a hair dryer, and a ½ inch foam weather striping is added around the edge. It's the open cell stuff that compresses easily and that friction holds them in place. It's abit like the "storm king" plastic film kits they use on old houses but thicker film and in a frame that is reusable. Now if they will only survive the cats!

Here's a couple pix of the "inside" storm windows I made up just in case anyone is interested. These work really well if you want to keep your original windows in an old place like mine. Simple friction fit with tabs to pull them back off on the sides. You can get these type as kits at a few places also. It is easier with two people when doing the film. It is on bothsides of the frames so that you have a dead air space within the storm frame as well as between the storm window and the house window. Bumps the R factor up pretty well and looks allot better then the film kits. Reusable too.

Funny, did you know the old storms that hung on the outside with metal hooks at the top and eye screws at the bottom(or top also) were rated just a high as new insulated high performance windows? It is a lot of hype that the new windows are better. They sure do look good as all things do when new!

Kevin

KLook wrote:Funny, did you know the old storms that hung on the outside with metal hooks at the top and eye screws at the bottom(or top also) were rated just a high as new insulated high performance windows? It is a lot of hype that the new windows are better. They sure do look good as all things do when new!

Kevin

Yeah Kev, that's why I did these. I wanted to keep the original old windows and actually your old partner Alan told me that the old wooden outside storms with the felt around them were rated at the top with thermopanes! I have several on the house in back but the front has those aluminum jobs from the 70's that are only good for the screens in summer . I found 5 more wooden up above my barn with all the shutters. I need to reglaze them and see where they fit but these indoor jobs are an easy alternative at the moment.

Well, they are much easier to install that is for sure. And we always said the only thing the aluminum's from Sears were good for was putting them in a driveway and running over them with a bulldozer!


Kevin

Nice Josh, simplistic thermo pane

NoSmoke wrote:Here in Maine the price of metal roofing is pretty cheap because the Amish have a steel mill somewhere in PA and most of the siding comes from that plant.

Whoa, the Amish have a steel mill in PA? No way. Most of the biggest steel miles in PA have close decades ago. The Amish may work at plant that rolls steel roofing but that's it.

Steel coil stock, bought on the world market, rolled and shaped to the cross section needed for metal roofing. Often it cleaned, treated, painted and coated before it's rolled. My 24x24 ft pole barn was bought from Conestoga Buildings a New Holland PA company.

http://www.cbstructuresinc.com/about/co ... -buildings

It was built in two days by two Amish workers under contract to the factory. Impressive efficiency of construction. The metal siding and roofing came from Everlast Roofing, Inc Lebanon, PA

http://everlastroofing.com/

Everlast Roofing has a Northeast Regional Office in Bridgton, ME, look it up on their web site.

Both New Holland PA and Lebanon, PA are in the general Amish area of PA.

Man, PA has all the good stuff! We have cheap labor up here too, but there's a language barrier ... and the quality of workmanship isn't so good.

Yeah, on the windows .... my parents spend an OBSCENE pile of $$$ to have their whole house retrofitted with the new plastic wonderwindows. They SUCK. Used to love sitting by the window as a kid with the sun shining through keeping you warm. Now, it's the same as the light from a lamp. ZERO heat. Feels dead in there. Plus, the old windows were about the same insulation wise. What a scam ...

My house has the plastic wonders too. All of them leak - every single one makes it look perpetually foggy here, as the 2 sheets of glass are stained on the inside where you can't clean. All the gas is long gone.

What piles of *censored*! Windows, cars, appliances ...... can we get ANYTHING good anymore?????



Here's a pic of the bathroom window during that -2° morning. Yeah, that's ice .... on the INSIDE.

great job and idea on those inside re-usable windows They look so damb good im expecting to see you filling them with argon next
well done mate! im going to make one of these for a very large and problematic picture window (its a perfect solution!) TY bunches!