List of EO by Barry

Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:38 am

SteveZee wrote:
franco b wrote:
dcrane wrote: I just dont see the "need" for weapons whos only purpose is to kill humans as fast and efficiently as possible

You don't see the need but our founding fathers did and wrote it into our Constitution.

Ever since the government murder of all those children and adults in Waco Texas it has been obvious that citizens need some form of protection from out of control government, even if in the end it is futile.


The 2nd Amendment was written during a time when the threat to the nation's freedom was VERY real, they did this so we could have militias who outnumberd regualer army 3 to 1, the whole idea failed during the war of 1812 when the militias ran away during battles (out of all the battles in 1812 the militias won 2 with the help of the US army) So now the army is 10x bigger the militias were turned into national guards who are trianed better than they were back then. That is what the founding father were dealing with at that time. Since then, there have been many changes implemented in this same way. Ban's, Unbans, CCW alllowed, not allowed.. ect. In the late 1880's CCW was illegal in 10 states including Texas. My point is that the second amendment has had many challenges through out history and our current President is not the first to suggest changes.

Dave and Ed, Jeff, all make valid points but should paranoia or let's call it "perceived threats" trump what is current reality? As I think about that, one sort of fuels the other.


finally someone can convey my sentiments better then im able to :D ... where the hell were you when i was being given the beat down in other threads :lol:
this makes perfect sense to me and is a great explanation of why things are very different then the day that 2nd amendment was drafted!
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:56 pm

samhill wrote:I think it's more about knowing where those rifles are & where they go, I know some people that make a good bit of money just buying & selling without any questions asked. Just like most things once something is done it's done but if it can be harmful to others then why produce more & not even attempt to change what is known to be a problem.
On a personal note to dcrane, you sir obviously don't know what your talking about, just the fact that some had so many wounds shows that he had way too much time & fire power & children don't put up too much resistance to be considered a combat situation but perhaps in a demented mind it does.


If you are aware of criminal activity and do nothing about it then you're complicit, which is a crime in itself. Congradulations, you're in a moral dilemma.

SteveZee wrote:Without getting off topic I would like to mention that many have stated the problem lies in mental health "reforms" and treating those people versus gun controls. That means not cutting healthcare programs, as the GOP have suggested, I'm sure you'll agree?

We can't absorb and nurture the world's population. I have no healthcare but illegal immigrants are entitled to it. Forgive me if I resent that fact.

If the country was a bunch of momma cats, each nursing 8 kittens, the liberal mentality is; "There's so many hungry kittens, we need to let them nurse." In order to nurse them, the original cats kittens are going to have to go hungry. Then the cat is nursed dry and all the kittens go hungry.
Then the liberals say, " We're just going to trim the momma cat's claws a little bit." Then they trim the cat's claws, then they cut the claws to the quick, then they declaw the cat. They declare the cat might cause harm by batting with it's soft paws and they cut the cat's front legs off. The cat dies, all the kittens die
but the liberals still think it was a great idea :shock:
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:49 pm

I have no healthcare but illegal immigrants are entitled to it.


As I have previously posted some time back, it is stunning the healthcare provided to Haitians with no claim whatsoever to citizenship. When my brother found out what was available to one "working" for him he was stunned for sure. This was the first time ever that he paid into Workers Comp. to protect himself and lo and behold, some over weight woman steps in a hole and here we go. Or here you go, as she had first class insurance and was playing it. He only found out as he took it on himself to drive her to the hospital and the pharmacy. Go figure. More incentive to just get here at all costs.

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:44 pm

KLook wrote:
I have no healthcare but illegal immigrants are entitled to it.


As I have previously posted some time back, it is stunning the healthcare provided to Haitians with no claim whatsoever to citizenship. When my brother found out what was available to one "working" for him he was stunned for sure. This was the first time ever that he paid into Workers Comp. to protect himself and lo and behold, some over weight woman steps in a hole and here we go. Or here you go, as she had first class insurance and was playing it. He only found out as he took it on himself to drive her to the hospital and the pharmacy. Go figure. More incentive to just get here at all costs.

kevin


im not aloud to speak so boldly, but i wish i was at times! some people know how to work our systems like putty in their hands.
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:17 pm

some people know how to work our systems like putty in their hands


Well it is not the immigrants themselves my friend. You see, you and I pay people to go out and find these folks and give them free stuff. I have seen and experienced this firsthand. Guess who these "gov. workers" voted for?? They have stuff for free to migrants that you and I cant buy at the store. Plus we open schools and daycares for free, notice that word, and hire bilingual teachers and teach the kids what a great place America is and it's all because of our savior, Obama. The migrants come to Maine to rake blueberries, a very hard job that I have done myself all the years I was growing up. To make money to buy school clothes, ME I mean. Now, they get housing, schooling, food stamps, transportation, and healthcare. On top of the fact that they make more raking blueberries then ANY agricultural crop in the US. I had a family renting one on my houses that had a daughter at Wellesley. :shock: These people have all these benefits but I get nothing if I decide to go rake blueberries. Is it any wonder that the local white kids will not rake anymore?

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:27 pm

Maybe I shouldn't have barged in on this popular thread with my emotionalism and rancor. There are a lot of good points being made here. I was able to get away from it all for a while after the long and contentious buildup to the rigged election. One thing I've noticed is the lib sense of well-being and security continues unabated despite the frightening decline into unworkable socialism; societal decay, and loss of constitutional rights. I also recognize my own and other conservatives sense of impending doom that is obvious to us.
I'm sittin here all unemployed but I retain my sense of self-responsibility, even though I know where the welfare office is; I'll seek gainful employment again soon.
The administration of hope-n-change seems to me like a cancer or auto-immune disorder. The rampant unrestricted growth is what will ultimately destroy the whole organism.
If this was a cat society founded by a few brave cats that escaped the rule of dogs who took their mice; in the past, they established that each cat would have the chance to hunt its own mice and get to keep most of them. And each cat had the right and duty to keep its claws, to prevent more rabid dogs from enslaving them all over again.
These EO's are the result of one statistically insignificant rabid cat going in and killing a bunch of kittens, in a place where the cats were declawed. A perfect and mysteriously coincidental incident that gives more momentum to the idea that every cat has to be declawed. Behind that policy is something more sinister- rabid dogs disguised as benevolent charismatic cats; who really want to take the mice and hunting grounds of otherwise peaceful and law abiding cats. :shock:
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:33 pm

Klook, can you provide any proof of what you are saying? It's not so much that I don't believe you but I would like to see where it comes from & when it started. I know that ERs can't turn away anyone that needs care but that started long ago & most of Obama care has yet to kick in, could it be the state that provides?
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: plumb-r On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:55 pm

"Executive Order" is something that is to be used when congress is not around to vote on things. Not a free pass to jamb what ever you want it to law. So none of this is valid in my eyes. The Constitution, and the Declaration, are just as relevant today as it was when it was written. Perhaps France would be more to peoples liking. :)
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:03 pm

Proof Sam?? I have just lived it and have friends and acquaintances involved in the programs. Yes, Maine has the most lucrative welfare in the nation. but the healthcare for the Haitian was federal. First hand account, confirmed by the girl working in the pharmacy, another friend. There is no debate about the benefits given to the migrants and there is no debate that they are not available to the natives in Maine.

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:04 pm

Sorry to be so off topic, we have discussed this before.

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:21 pm

samhill wrote:I think it's more about knowing where those rifles are & where they go, I know some people that make a good bit of money just buying & selling without any questions asked. Just like most things once something is done it's done but if it can be harmful to others then why produce more & not even attempt to change what is known to be a problem.
On a personal note to dcrane, you sir obviously don't know what your talking about, just the fact that some had so many wounds shows that he had way too much time & fire power & children don't put up too much resistance to be considered a combat situation but perhaps in a demented mind it does.



The only one proposal that I could possibly agree with, after hearing a little more about it is the universal background check. If they can do it without registration, that I could live with. I have sold guns but always had a gun dealer do this exact thing even though it was a private sell. So Sam I am only going to say this once. You are right. LOL :D
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:26 pm

The only one proposal that I could possibly agree with, after hearing a little more about it is the universal background check. If they can do it without registration, that I could live with. I have sold guns but always had a gun dealer do this exact thing even though it was a private sell. So Sam I am only going to say this once. You are right. LOL :D


Ditto for me. Registration is the precedent to seizure. Ask all other countries that lost them.

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:17 pm

The whole argument of magazine (or "CLIP", as the media AND the president INCORRECTLY label it) size is about as mindless as it gets. Doesn't take much to placate Obama's base ... :roll:

What is "normal" mag capacity? Well, it depends on the firearm. Of course none of the left gets that far into the discussion - the circle of children around Obama was enough for them. :roll: :roll:

The 1911 pistol came standard with a 7 round magazine. The AR-15 / M4 & M-16 had 20 & 30 round mags standard. As you can see, the argument by the left is just plain dumb. It ain't about mag size. It's about restrictions. Chipping away at your freedoms, until they control everything.

Great article here on the war on words mastered by the left:

http://www.therightscoop.com/nomenclatu ... ms-primer/
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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:01 pm

Who needs a 30 round mag?

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Re: List of EO by Barry

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:17 pm

That is my other argument over the AWB and 10 rd Mag ban. More senseless laws. JUST B.S.
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