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Post by waldo lemieux » Mon. Mar. 11, 2013 8:23 pm

if your moving your boiler like Rob suggested , don't worry about it . If your leaving alone then you need to dig the thing up , This time make sure there is a place for water to drain from the ditch. It kinda looks like there is a little bit of grade to the side of the trench, dig a few laterals off the ditch to daylight . Next figure out what you want for pipe and insulation . Finally , fill the trench to 6" over the pipe with #2 washed stone(round golfball size) not sand or dirt. the stone will have air pockets which will keep the ground from stealing your heat. Wet sand or earth around your pipe is'nt any better than water. no water, no worries :)
Im shure it hurts but, you'll just have to burn coal a little longer to offset the cost. And if your gonna use a conduit it needs to be watertight till your above grade and Id still use the stone for fill.

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Post by katman » Fri. Mar. 29, 2013 8:15 am

Just looked at your picture. You said you went pretty deep with your pipe so you have a lot of heat loss to melt the snow like that. It is expensive, but I used 1 1/4 inch thermapex for my line. Ran about 100 feet between the barn and the house. Sandy soil (like masonry sand) and only about 30 inches down in some spots. Absolutely no snow melt. My IR gun is a cheapo but shows little or no loss at the transition to copper when measured at house entry and barn exit points. I also have heat pumps at the house to use when I'm not home or in Spring and Fall. Harman boiler and electric water heater. If I had the option to locate in the house I would consider either one of the Harman (or other brand) furnaces and electric hot water heater or the boiler with DHW coil and air duct heat exchanger. The new, high efficiency hot water heaters are pretty thrifty and I don't have to worry about keeping a fire going during the summer when I'd rather be fishing and we have to deal with power outages caused by thunderstorms.

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Jun. 30, 2013 9:34 am

Scottscoaled wrote:This is what I'm talking about. Major usage problems. :(
Hi partner, I was reviewing old threads and wondered what you did for this?
Did you replace the run between the house and boiler??

 
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Post by Scottscoaled » Mon. Jul. 01, 2013 8:10 pm

No, I have been suffering along. Getting ready to move a boiler into the basement. Plan to have it ready before September.

 
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Post by Lightning » Mon. Jul. 01, 2013 8:23 pm

Ah now yer talking :-) excellent plan!!


 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Tue. Jul. 02, 2013 11:52 am

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Dont put it in the basement just because you don't think its possible to do without losing heat, it is posible. If its because of ease of use or almost any other reason its probably the right thing....

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Post by Rob R. » Tue. Jul. 02, 2013 6:10 pm

You can minimize heat loss to the ground and outbuilding, but you can't eliminate it. The cost of running additional circulator(s) should also be considered. If circumstances permit, a basement installation is usually the most economical on day 1 and in the long term.

I expect Scott will be grinning when he has warm floors and burns 20% less coal.

 
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Post by Scottscoaled » Tue. Jul. 02, 2013 10:30 pm

The issue that worries me the most is the additional heat in the basement during the dog days of summer. I use it for domestic all summer.

 
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Post by whistlenut » Tue. Jul. 02, 2013 11:03 pm

The additional heat off the boiler can be an issue, however you will not need a dehumidifier anymore. Many of us who have experienced 24/7-365 for a few years have learned to love the dry basement condition. If your 'Man-Cave' is in the basement, most attendees will be in their skivvies, so you will have to adjust to that. It could make the Bellows Fall trips a thing of the past. I see that as a win, win, win!!! Even the gerbil cage will be warm!!!! :idea: :!: :eek2: :woot: :notsure:

 
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Post by Rob R. » Wed. Jul. 03, 2013 5:40 am

Scottscoaled wrote:The issue that worries me the most is the additional heat in the basement during the dog days of summer. I use it for domestic all summer.
Insulate the boiler and piping well, and don't run the boiler any warmer than necessary to keep up with your indirect water heater. My EFM stays at 140-150 degrees, and the basement is low to mid 70's.


 
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Post by Wiz » Wed. Jul. 03, 2013 5:56 am

Rob R. wrote:
Scottscoaled wrote:The issue that worries me the most is the additional heat in the basement during the dog days of summer. I use it for domestic all summer.
Insulate the boiler and piping well, and don't run the boiler any warmer than necessary to keep up with your indirect water heater. My EFM stays at 140-150 degrees, and the basement is low to mid 70's.
I did exactly what Rob is saying and my work shop temp has drop greatly. Rob as you mention about keystoker top not being insulate, I've also insulated ash pan door too. ;)

 
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Post by Rob R. » Wed. Jul. 03, 2013 6:00 am

Wiz wrote: I've also insulated ash pan door too.
Very thorough. 8-)

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Wed. Jul. 03, 2013 8:11 am

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I guess that I assumed that you were going to heat the building your boiler is in now. If you don't want heat out there then by all means put it in the basemoosa.If on the other hand you are going to move the thing inside and then run heat back out to you current location , leave it where it is and plant new pipes. The amount of heat loss to the ground can be minimized, as Rob pointed out, and in "coal dollars" becomes a pittance. To me the two Big issues are, do you want heat in the out building, and how much of an ass ache is moving coal in and ash out of your basement .

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Post by Phil May » Thu. Aug. 15, 2013 10:30 am

The heat off my 700 keeps the shop warm until it gets below 45 or I have the doors open. Warm enough for the shop not warm enough for the house. You would Definitely want to insulate the hell out of the furnace and the pipe if you put in the house.

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