America's dead, gun control

Well Fred, I taught mine to have both eyes wide open. Don't take anything for granted, like fair treatment from law enforcement. I will stand on the kind of citizens mine have become, gladly. Respect is best earned, not demanded. Remember that when you are throwing around your cute cliches. For an example of demand, see our Commander in Chief.

I always found that you can attract more bee's with honey than vinegar.

Also a 2 ways street my friend. See the above cliches about "demand". And I didn't make any comment about being smarter, you did. Being in law enforcement or fire dept does not make you a genius. Nor does it make the people you "serve" any less intelligent. Large city firemen are highly trained, and most are cross trained in several fields. This is because they(the cities) can afford to be this selective just like the Navy Seals and other special forces or the Coast Guard rescue guys. We are talking about rural volunteer guys.

Kevin

Klook, your jumping around a bit, most big city firemen are trained at that & many get there because of who they know but still they are risking their lives. Why not tell me what all the VFC gets for it's members that still get all the training that the VFC can afford, these people go in & risk their lives, recently had one come into a burning barn with me twice to try & get a horse out, he didn't have to do that but was first on the scene in his own car. Don't know where your exposure to all these Barney Fife type cops are but I have many friends that went into LW & I wouldn't put any in that category, I agree & I normally respect the uniform & allow the officer to earn his & in my experience most have. There too the bottom line is they too are putting their lives at risk.

I guess we've got a different understanding of BEGETS--my understanding falls into that earned catogory you mentioned.. I'm damn sure not nor did I say to let our kids go into society blind. Would 95% work for ya? I believe you DID state that you told your kids NOT to trust local law enforcement--but Troopers were OK--kinda--if I misunderstood, I apologize. For the record, my Dad was a Pa State Trooper & Coast Guard Rescue during WWll. I also think one can confuse reality statements (passed down from much older, wiser people then I) with cute cliches---I take it you moved along to samhill on that 2nd part

KLook wrote:Well Fred, I taught mine to have both eyes wide open. Don't take anything for granted, like fair treatment from law enforcement. I will stand on the kind of citizens mine have become, gladly. Respect is best earned, not demanded. Remember that when you are throwing around your cute cliches. For an example of demand, see our Commander in Chief.

I always found that you can attract more bee's with honey than vinegar.

Also a 2 ways street my friend. See the above cliches about "demand". And I didn't make any comment about being smarter, you did. Being in law enforcement or fire dept does not make you a genius. Nor does it make the people you "serve" any less intelligent. Large city firemen are highly trained, and most are cross trained in several fields. This is because they(the cities) can afford to be this selective just like the Navy Seals and other special forces or the Coast Guard rescue guys. We are talking about rural volunteer guys.

Kevin

dcrane wrote:

carlherrnstein wrote:Yea right that will be a effective as the "war on drugs"

Its going to start being effective for farmers too... when they start planting weed instead of corn like Cali does now

I already have the discs an plows waiting. Lawyers, Guns, And Weed. Ah the life in the boonies.

She's good & she is to the point.

This is getting serious.
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Maybe if we get more municipalities to tell Badolf Oitler to *censored* off then he'll reconsider his tyranical EOs and infringment of our rights.

I'll start with Samhill, the volunteer that came in the barn, without having to. Did he have his turnout gear on? If so, why wasn't he supposed to? No humans at risk? Hell, he should have whacked you over the head and dragged you out, the hell with the horse. That is what the insurance company would have said if he had been hurt getting the horse not you. One guy helps you out and they are all hero's? You love this kind of argument because you can wrap yourself in the flag and proclaim yourself, all vets, firefighters and cops to be hero's. Right up your alley and your response will be some lame statement about those that serve and for such little pay and put their lives on the line just to serve. It is an unassailable position and you stick to it like glue. Get over yourself. Many volunteers do it for the rush and they get to drive fast and they are inside the fire lines and the tv stations and newspapers are quoting them. Lastly, out in the real sticks, there is a reason they are called cellar savers.

Fred
No respect does not beget respect. Arrogance knows no bounds when balled up in a firefighter or cop full of his authority. Funny how I conduct myself gets me what I deserve, but not them? I see, because your an insider, father and yourself, you are always right because you've "earned" it. You and Sam are insiders, in a sort of fraternity, and you defend it to the Nth degree because you think you've earned something I havn't . Selfless devotion to protect and serve, yeah right. No doubt, there are some noble people out there.

I have never been arrested and I have had altercations with firefighters and police. I was right, every time. They were full of themselves and overstepped their bounds. It helps to know what the rules are and they have to abide by them also. In 4 instances I can think of, it never went to court because the superiors stepped in and made it plain they had overstepped. I did nothing but defend myself and stand up for my rights. If more people did it you would hear more about it in the news. Yes I have a chip on my shoulder, but I have a sense of right and wrong also. Don't try to beat me down when you are wrong just to show me who is in charge. Hence, Barney Fife. If you don't know someone like that character in all the years you 2 have been around, you ain't paying attention. Or maybe they weed them out better out in your areas.

Now then, it seems we keeps going over the same ground every few years. At least I am not so old I can't remember it. So enough, you are both known quantities and so am I. I does not serve anything to just keep making the same points every few months.

As someone said earlier,
Peace

Kevin

Fair enough, PEACE back at ya. I do have to point out one thing about Barney---Andy was always around to unruffle feathers. Maybe I just tended to gravitate towards the Andy's.

Klook, no I don't call everyone that puts on a uniform & serves country or community a hero, as in every walk of life there are a few that abuse position but there are far more that deserve all the praise they normally don't get. The man that helped me came in more looking out for me than a lowly horse, I guess a person that has no regard for anyone but himself & maybe family wouldn't understand trying to help a poor defenseless animal nor perhaps a fellow human. As for myself I'm not any kind of hero nor ever claimed to be, just did a job that needed to be done at the time rather than run like a coward or used money or influence to stay away, just a job I did & did well, am proud for serving & believe it made me a better man & I would gladly serve again. My personal feelings are that as a man I can now proudly one day be put to rest under that flag, much better IMHO than being a man that stepped all over it while at the same time hiding behind it. You had your last words on this & now I have had mine.
Once again as for the young fireman, my wife did publically thank him & the other fire Co.s that responded, something that is seldom done & was greatly appreciated sometimes a little thank you will go a long way.

They are just people with all the same faults and flaws as the rest of us. Sam, Fred, and Kevin all make valid points. Up here we see allot of what Kevin was talking about and for years the Sheriffs office was a real political cronyism mess. People were sick of it and the Sheriff we have now ran as an independent and smoked the guy who thought he was a shoe in due to the outgoing support. He's been a great Sheriff and won a second term. Anyway, they are under pressures that others don't face at times and most earn their money for sure. The ones I know tell me that the job is hours of boredom followed by minutes of adreniline rush. I'm sure that can be intoxicating to some and flat out stressful to others. I wouldn't want to do it for a living and I have respect for those who do it well just like anything else. The biggest fear is the power trip that some exploit.

Then you get things happening like this mornings headline in Vega where a police LT kills his family and torches his house and commits suicide. As I read the article I saw this. "The fact is that police suicides continue at a rate much higher than the number of police officers killed by felons," and thought that was unbelieveable? Non the less, it shows the pressures that some face although it seems so selfish to me? Go ahead and kill yourself if that's what you want to do but leave the others out of it!

I remember when I had the Constable job in Granville, Vt back in the late 60's early 70's--I had to take a MMPI--??? Minnesota Multi Personality something or other test????? (sanity test I suppose)I was pretty impressed I did well on it till I found out it was a pre-requisite for the Gestapo force ( (Philly Highway Patrol) & many other LE depts. Crap most of us were fresh back from the Nam & still pretty combat geared. Nope, I would not want that job either---for the record--I know suicide is a personal choice--but like SZ--do it on yourself--I'd even supply the bullet--

samhill wrote:As for myself I'm not any kind of hero nor ever claimed to be, just did a job that needed to be done at the time rather than run like a coward or used money or influence to stay away, just a job I did & did well, am proud for serving & believe it made me a better man & I would gladly serve again. My personal feelings are that as a man I can now proudly one day be put to rest under that flag, much better IMHO than being a man that stepped all over it while at the same time hiding behind it. You had your last words on this & now I have had mine.

I ran into a guy at the hardware store that had a 1942 Army radio Jeep. Real military buff, who had also been to the Middle East recently as military contractor of some sort. Italian american guy, proud of their contributions in WWII.
At the end of a pretty long conversation, I mentioned that I had one brother join the Marine Reserves in 1969, and one brother that was a C.O. He got the jist that I was ashamed of my C.O. brother.
He set me straight, in mentioning that the whole country was divided by that conflict. It caused me to forgive my brother in that regard. If you need to accentuate the cowardice of others to embellish your own actions; go ahead. I thought Viet Nam was the fight against the domino effect and communism. In what capacity would you serve your country again, when you have established yourself here as so left wing?