Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:11 pm

SteveZee wrote:I never said that Dann.

Look, I'm sorry that your candidate was crap and lost the election. But that's our system Dann, That's America. The Majority of the people spoke. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Diversity is what had gotten us this far. It will continue to be so. Class warfare is over and done with and a big Amen to that!


Call me Dan. HAHAHAHAHA man you are dreamin'. My opinion is irrelevant but yours is gospel. How "diverse" is your town? You want to see diversity? C'mon down and I'll take you on a tour of diversity. We'll take your truck. Hope ya have locking rims and good theft insurance. Come heavy if ya want to make it back to the country. Hurry before The Emperor of the Useless disarms everybody except criminals.
All the leaders of europe have declared that multiculturalism does not work. But don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.
There is no real diversity here, only enclaves of various other cultures that steadily undermine our standard of living and our American culture. Adios amigo and Allahu akbar.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:14 pm

Dann757 wrote:
SteveZee wrote:I never said that Dann.

Look, I'm sorry that your candidate was crap and lost the election. But that's our system Dann, That's America. The Majority of the people spoke. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Diversity is what had gotten us this far. It will continue to be so. Class warfare is over and done with and a big Amen to that!


Call me Dan. HAHAHAHAHA man you are dreamin'. My opinion is irrelevant but yours is gospel. How "diverse" is your town? You want to see diversity? C'mon down and I'll take you on a tour of diversity. We'll take your truck. Hope ya have locking rims and good theft insurance. Come heavy if ya want to make it back to the country. Hurry before The Emperor of the Useless disarms everybody except criminals.
All the leaders of europe have declared that multiculturalism does not work. But don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.
There is no real diversity here, only enclaves of various other cultures that steadily undermine our standard of living and our American culture. Adios amigo and Allahu akbar.


Dan, I'm sorry but your the one who's dreaming. I'm calling it as it is like it or not. You have some dream of America that doesn't exist any longer and hasn't for many decades. It was different in your childhood maybe and certainly was in mine but that's gone and it ain't coming back. This country was founded by immigrants and built by them too. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" remember that? Free means freedom for all citizens or is that supposed to only be for you and yours? Various cultures that undermine "our" standard of living? Who is "Our"? Unless you are native American I got news for you. You aren't any more American than any other citizen.

Tell me then, what is your "fix" to to all the things you see wrong? Your opinion is just as valid as mine. I never said mine was gospel, I just stated it. All you've said is how wrong I am, so lets hear it. What is it supposed to be according to Dan?
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:11 am

We could all start with the 10 commandments, that would be a good place to start. You even have a leg up on us Steve as the first four commandments are about honoring a God that you do not believe in. After that the book of Proverbs would take care of 99% of the problems. If there was any issues after that we could simply apply the rest of the bible.

That is a pretty good plan I think.

I admit that I have overly complained about of President, but there again I have done something about it. Not only do I vote in National, State and Local Elections, I also pray for my President. I think that is an issue among Christians; they often complain about Obama yet fail to pray for him.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:59 am

NoSmoke wrote:We could all start with the 10 commandments, that would be a good place to start. You even have a leg up on us Steve as the first four commandments are about honoring a God that you do not believe in. After that the book of Proverbs would take care of 99% of the problems. If there was any issues after that we could simply apply the rest of the bible.

That is a pretty good plan I think.

I admit that I have overly complained about of President, but there again I have done something about it. Not only do I vote in National, State and Local Elections, I also pray for my President. I think that is an issue among Christians; they often complain about Obama yet fail to pray for him.


I have nothing but respect for you and your religion NS. I don't belittle people for their beliefs and I see the value in their tenants. As a moral code it is admirable. Some people think that because I'm not religious, I couldn't possibly have an moral compass, but that is far from true. One doesn't "have to believe in God" to follow the morals of the society that one lives in and if in fact people did follow (and act) that list of commandments, we would be in better shape.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:07 am

Dann757 wrote:
SteveZee wrote:I never said that Dann.

Look, I'm sorry that your candidate was crap and lost the election. But that's our system Dann, That's America. The Majority of the people spoke. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Diversity is what had gotten us this far. It will continue to be so. Class warfare is over and done with and a big Amen to that!


Call me Dan. HAHAHAHAHA man you are dreamin'. My opinion is irrelevant but yours is gospel. How "diverse" is your town? You want to see diversity? C'mon down and I'll take you on a tour of diversity. We'll take your truck. Hope ya have locking rims and good theft insurance. Come heavy if ya want to make it back to the country. Hurry before The Emperor of the Useless disarms everybody except criminals.
All the leaders of europe have declared that multiculturalism does not work. But don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.
There is no real diversity here, only enclaves of various other cultures that steadily undermine our standard of living and our American culture. Adios amigo and Allahu akbar.


I went to Atlantic City once and somehow my GPS took me off the highway in a place called Jersey City... I was then lead down a street I could not read any signs or communicate with any people (It was all Spanish i think :shock: ), I was stuck in the worst rain storm which flooded this long road and totally locked down the street for an hour.... its was the scariest hour of my life inside the USA :fear:
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:18 am

dcrane wrote:
Dann757 wrote:
SteveZee wrote:I never said that Dann.

Look, I'm sorry that your candidate was crap and lost the election. But that's our system Dann, That's America. The Majority of the people spoke. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Diversity is what had gotten us this far. It will continue to be so. Class warfare is over and done with and a big Amen to that!


Call me Dan. HAHAHAHAHA man you are dreamin'. My opinion is irrelevant but yours is gospel. How "diverse" is your town? You want to see diversity? C'mon down and I'll take you on a tour of diversity. We'll take your truck. Hope ya have locking rims and good theft insurance. Come heavy if ya want to make it back to the country. Hurry before The Emperor of the Useless disarms everybody except criminals.
All the leaders of europe have declared that multiculturalism does not work. But don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.
There is no real diversity here, only enclaves of various other cultures that steadily undermine our standard of living and our American culture. Adios amigo and Allahu akbar.


I went to Atlantic City once and somehow my GPS took me off the highway in a place called Jersey City... I was then lead down a street I could not read any signs or communicate with any people (It was all Spanish i think :shock: ), I was stuck in the worst rain storm which flooded this long road and totally locked down the street for an hour.... its was the scariest hour of my life inside the USA :fear:


Ha,ha,ha yep I haven't spent my whole life in the boondocks of Maine. When I was working, I ran our Boston, the New York office and Baltimore/ DC for a few stints. Camden and Newark, NJ were memorable cities. Some of NYC neighborhoods too. We were in the photography bizz so the locals generally treated us ok.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:19 am

dcrane wrote:
I went to Atlantic City once and somehow my GPS took me off the highway in a place called Jersey City... I was then lead down a street I could not read any signs or communicate with any people (It was all Spanish i think :shock: ), I was stuck in the worst rain storm which flooded this long road and totally locked down the street for an hour.... its was the scariest hour of my life inside the USA :fear:



See you would have felt better if you were not out gunned. :poke: :D
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:42 am

SteveZee wrote:I have nothing but respect for you and your religion NS. I don't belittle people for their beliefs and I see the value in their tenants. As a moral code it is admirable. Some people think that because I'm not religious, I couldn't possibly have an moral compass, but that is far from true. One doesn't "have to believe in God" to follow the morals of the society that one lives in and if in fact people did follow (and act) that list of commandments, we would be in better shape.


Interesting, me and the wife were discussing this very issue the other day. (Sometimes it is hard to get the emotion of the typed word, so I must convey that I am not being sarcastic in any way, or disrespecting you at all here, this was an honest discussion).

Basically we were discussing a farm and has been really successful despite the culture for dairy farms in Maine being very poor economically right now. Like you, he has a moral compass and uses it well and it really shows. The way he treats his workers is astonishing for a dairy farm, and I asked him how he manages to get so much done without the yelling other farms have. It was not a joke and with employees with 20-30 years of loyalty on his farm, that speaks volumes...people just do not stay on a dairy farm for long...yet his do! There are other aspects as well, but he is not a Christian which brought on our discussion of non-christians and yet are morally strong.

That is a long way of saying, I understand that there are non-christians with deep morals, and I not only know it is possible, agree that from what little I know you from this site, are one of those moral people. What you and I differ on is that you believe I pray to a pretend friend, and I know that when I pray for you there is someone listening. By the way, I do not pray that you would mend any horrible ways, (we are told not to judge and I am sure my past is worse then anything you ever did), but rather that God would allow you to see his presence.

It has happened. In the bible Saul was converted to Paul in the book of Acts. In modern times Les Strobble was a staunch atheist who set out to prove there was no God and is now a strong Christian from what God revealed to him. Finally there is the Albert Ross who wrote the book "Who Moved the Stone" in 1950 who disputed the resurrection and set out to prove it. He later became a Christian based on what he found out. There is some history of this happening, so I continue to pray.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:49 am

I should not have said that about praying to a pretend deity. That was wrong and I know that whomever you pray to is very real for you. I sometimes get wound up and go over board. I apologize for that disrespect. My feelings are that whatever helps a fellow person lead a better and more fulfilling life is a good thing and more power to them.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:23 pm

SteveZee wrote:This country was founded by immigrants and built by them too. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" remember that? Free means freedom for all citizens or is that supposed to only be for you and yours? Various cultures that undermine "our" standard of living? Who is "Our"? Unless you are native American I got news for you. You aren't any more American than any other citizen.

Tell me then, what is your "fix" to to all the things you see wrong? Your opinion is just as valid as mine. I never said mine was gospel, I just stated it. All you've said is how wrong I am, so lets hear it. What is it supposed to be according to Dan?


Steve, first of all, I percieve you as a good man and I celebrate your success. I have a tendency to react to posts as is apparent here. I don't like being viscious unless provoked, it's my reaction to the negative and destructive changes that are in my life every day.
But when you call Romney "crap", take responsibility for my reaction; especially in light of the inauguration and the resounding defeat of traditional American values. You can state your opinions as fact, just be prepared for the replies.

Sorry, I am more American that the "citizens" you talk about, who either are illegal, or have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into American culture.
So if you post some koombay ahh rhetoric, about how "class warfare is dead", consider the fact ,that is an old implement of communism, nothing new. It's Obama that utilized it again so successfully.
Try to realize the intentions. I've recommended the author Dinesh D'Souza many times, but you won't read it any more than I'll read The Communist Manifesto.
Also google "useful idiots" if you care to.
I see my standard of living, and my American culture assaulted on a daily basis. Correct me if I'm assuming that you probably feel safe and secure in pastoral surroundings. You can't see the forest for the pine trees.
I'm just frustrated that you are under the assumption that there is some kind of liberal utopia on the horizon. Even in the midst of the planned and evil attempt to disarm the American citizenry, and create a nanny state of useless dependant subjects.
You haven't mentioned the liberal and suicidal policy of unbridled and encouraged illegal immigration. This is another weapon in Obama's quest to dismantle America.
I am within a close radius of many towns that have turned completely hispanic, with signs and billboards in Spanish. And the ensuing gang violence, crime, and blatant disrespect of our laws. And thay all are having as many anchor babies as quickly as humanly possible; burdening our public education system to the breaking point.
So try to consider groups like La Raza, CAIR, CPUSA, who openly despise us and our way of life. Foreigners are taking full advantage of our open society in every way possible, undercutting fair wages, sending cash out of the country, sneaking in without due process.
It seems to me you are standing on a hill proclaiming an oncoming tsunami is no danger. I find it hard to respect.
Consider Dearborn Michigan, most of Southern California, South Florida, Chicago, Baltimore, parts of Philly, Memphis, Rochester, and a host of other cities that are experiencing the destruction of American Culture, even as you proclaim the country is now some kind of happy drum circle with total equality and universal welfare for all.
You tell me I can't embrace change, while simultaneously thinking that nothing has changed since The Statue of Liberty was installed, at a time when the country needed immigrants. Those immigrants wanted a chance to pursue happiness. Now they only want a chance for "free stuff" and a chance to loot our nation. :bang:
Maybe you think the US can absorb the world's population. Most of us have the foresight to know that will destroy our standard of living.
You think your Marxist Messiah is a liberator, even as he implements strategies designed to drag our country into mediocrity in a violent world.
The third world is comin' for ya Steve, they're just over the next hill, led by the satan you call your savior....
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Oh goody, I get to post a pix of my Messiah. ;)
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:47 pm

Dan,
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because we're pretty far apart on so many issues. I can feel your frustration and I'm sure it's real with real events but I can never be as nihilistic as you seem to be. I choose to be pro active and positive if only because there isn't all that much I can control outside of my own life.

As far as The President is concerned, you give the man way to much credit. If he has done all of the things you accuse him of doing in just 4 years, he would be one of the most influential people to ever walk the planet! Secondly, I never said that I agreed with everything and every policy he has introduced and actually calling him "my marxist messiah is an oxymoron for the obvious reason that Marxists were never religious.

I can agree with you that we do have allot of immigration problems where people come here to take advantage of our largess. As much as I don't like that, I have to think, how is it that any different than Mitt and company outsourcing jobs to India or China or Brazil etc.....? Is it any different than "Contractor's" making big bucks in Iraq and Afghanistan? You don't think they are sending that money home and we as tax payers are funding those big bucks contracts.

I also agree with you that there was time when we needed immigrants to build this country. So yes we encouraged that and became the nation that we are. To say that Obama is responsible for all the woes you are currently speaking of is to say that it all happened in the last 4 years and you know that is not true. Unfortunately you can't have it both ways. In a way it's a side effect of "Empire".
Kim and I have a place in the UK and see it as a product of that in the UK and here. They/ We went there, exploited the place and used them and took what we wanted and now they have the right to immigrate to the UK or the States. Is it right? I don't know but it is and we live with it. I just don't think you paint the immigrants of today with that broad a stroke and say they only come here for free stuff? Look at your writer Dinesh D"Sousa as an example. Born on Bombay India, came here and is successful. I think what pisses people off is when immigrants come here and do well, (better than they have) and do take advantage of the American Dream because they are willing to do jobs they "we" don't want to do or they started a business, grew it successfully and "we" didn't. That is nothing more than envy. Am I envious of what some newcomers have accomplished? Sure I am but I also know that it's my own fault if I didn't get what I wanted or feel I deserve. I wasn't willing to do what they did. Instead I choose to respect and have admiration for that. Are there plenty of others who take advantage? Sure there are but there is always some in a group that will do that. Again, this is not all on President Obama. It's been going on for all of the time I've been on the planet.
Things just have not changed all that much in the past 4 years Dan. We're digging out of an economic hole and I have hope that we are returning to prosperity. We just have 2 differing attitudes Dan. Your's is nihilistic and mine is more positive and hopeful.
As far as a person goes, I feel that what I know of you, is a solid citizen and would have my back if needed and I hope you would feel the same. Other threads that DON"T have to do with politics, you have helped me and made good suggestions and I appreciate that. Our general outlook on life is just a little far apart that's all. I don't hold any of that against you or any other person that doesn't agree with me and there are tons of them! ;) I consider many of my staunchest opponents to be some of my good friends here at NEPA.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Oh goody, I get to post a pix of my Messiah.


Just keep your pants on please the cold weather must be getting to you. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:26 pm

freetown fred wrote:Oh goody, I get to post a pix of my Messiah. ;)


That's a fantastic picture.
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Re: Should Obama be Added to Mount Rushmore?

PostBy: chester On: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:28 pm

Should obama be added to Mount Rushmore........ only if hes holding the dynamite for the first blast ! :rambo2:
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