This man has some balls. He is a bad ass.

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PostBy: Rigar On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:15 am

Richard S. wrote:I'll play the devils advocate here, firstly it's not really a right if you don't exercise it is it?

Secondly if more guns were present in the public they would be more comfortable with them. After the flood the one neighbor was open carrying for a while. Didn't faze me but I know many of the people living there were probably a little nervous about it. I'm sure they got over it after a day or two.


...with all due respect- I have to disagree
For instance....can you "exercise " your freedom of speech rights by runni g into a crowded movie theater and yell " FIRE !!" ?
not legally..u nless there is indeed a fire ( or at least smoke)
Not because it is against the law to lie...but because it violates the rights of others.
This guy went to far...the moment he stepped foot inside that store (private property)..
Where i grew up...he wouldnt have made it past the produce section...let alone the front door.. !
With that said...i willsay i am NOT for stricter gun laws...and feel we are slowly..but most definately...going to lose the right to keep and bear CERTAIN types of arms.
His idea was just...his judgement poor.
Its more ammo for the libs...less logic for us.
This is the WRONG type of attention this cause needs in order to be successful
...and EXACTLY the arguement obamas cronies need to implement sections 1031 and 1022 + 21 of the NDAA.
WE have got to really use our brains on this one guys...or a new world is coming
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PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:41 am

I think he was a badass because he exersized his rights. It certainly took some balls to walk into a grocery store with it. The whole point of the stunt was to get some attention. He didn't do anything wrong. My wife probably would've freaked out. I on the other hand probably wouldn't of. If more people would do this then the culture of fear the media has created would start to go away. We're a society of bitches. This stunt shows that people aren't as trigger happy as the media and government make everyone out to be.

Maybe it was in poor taste. Maybe he should've gone to his local gun store instead. But I'm sure it wouldn't of had the same reaction. Hell just look at the store's reaction, he was banned, they've now got an armed guard, they've posted a no guns sign. If tha isn't an over reaction theb I don't know what is.

Rigar, the new world is already well on it's way.

I'm not going to sit here and argue this. Good, bad, indifferent. Doesn't matter. I think it took some balls to do what he did whether it was in good taste or not. He didn't do anything illegal and the reaction of the media just proves we've got no hope of keeping these rights.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:05 am

Rigar wrote:
...with all due respect- I have to disagree


You're not allowed to disagree. :P

For instance....can you "exercise " your freedom of speech rights by runni g into a crowded movie theater and yell " FIRE !!" ?
not legally..u nless there is indeed a fire ( or at least smoke)
Not because it is against the law to lie...but because it violates the rights of others.


Open carry is a lawful act in many states including PA, I think in Philly it's illegal but that is going to change because of recent state legislation. The only crime would involve if the supermarket asked you to leave and you didn't in which case you could be cited/arrested for trespass. Even the cops are not fully aware of the law. There is group here in PA that advocates for this. One of the members was at restaurant a few years back and they called the cops on him because he had a visible weapon. They never asked him to leave. The cops showed up and started harassing him, they picked the wrong guy though because he knew the law. If I recall they were demanding his ID which they couldn't do. They ended up arresting him and taking his gun. He was released shortly and the gun returned to him and lucky for the cops he didn't sue.


This guy went to far...the moment he stepped foot inside that store (private property)..


Stepping into a private establishment with a gun in PA is not against the law. It's only if you're asked to leave and refuse you can be arrested.
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PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:16 am

I'm On Fire wrote:I think he was a badass because he exersized his rights. It certainly took some balls to walk into a grocery store with it. The whole point of the stunt was to get some attention. He didn't do anything wrong. My wife probably would've freaked out. I on the other hand probably wouldn't of. If more people would do this then the culture of fear the media has created would start to go away. We're a society of bitches. This stunt shows that people aren't as trigger happy as the media and government make everyone out to be.

Maybe it was in poor taste. Maybe he should've gone to his local gun store instead. But I'm sure it wouldn't of had the same reaction. Hell just look at the store's reaction, he was banned, they've now got an armed guard, they've posted a no guns sign. If tha isn't an over reaction theb I don't know what is.

Rigar, the new world is already well on it's way.

I'm not going to sit here and argue this. Good, bad, indifferent. Doesn't matter. I think it took some balls to do what he did whether it was in good taste or not. He didn't do anything illegal and the reaction of the media just proves we've got no hope of keeping these rights.


There is no maybe about it. He wanted to be provacative and he was. Can you really blame people for being jumpy? We're not a society of bitches, we have some valid reasons to be wary of some person with a semi auto long gun walking around in a supermarket. As Fred and others said, if he was on his way to the gun store, no problem. But a grocery store, a movie theatre, a school.....you see where it's going. It's in very poor taste and only fuels the fears of people who have been bombarded with these events. If he's anybodies hero, it's the anti gun crowd.
I think Smitty is right on the money saying that it was interesting that he had a note prepared, on his person, in case it went tits up. He knew it was provacative yet did it anyways. That's just the kind of rational that is questionable.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:18 am

It does matter & it wasen't about gun rights, it was about COMMON SENSE--in this case, I believe the suk-off media, just reported what the customers in the store told them. If this is the direction fanatical pro-gunners are headed, I for one am re-evaluating my thoughts on the open carry situation--YES, I do have my concealed permit, YES, I do have a nice Glock--NO, I am not an ignorant ass. Death by cop????--oh yeah, there's a well balanced concept to be put forth.
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Re: This man has some balls. He is a bad ass.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:21 am

I'm On Fire wrote: He didn't do anything wrong. My wife probably would've freaked out. I on the other hand probably wouldn't of.



That depends on how he is handling the gun, is he handling it properly or is he handling it like Rambo?

FYI this has happened a couple of times in the past few weeks. There was another story about a guy in JCPenny in Utah.

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PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:29 am

I'm curious as to what exactly the proper handling of this particular weapon consists of. From the video, I'll project he is Ex. Military & exercising his gun rights to the extreme. Now is not the time for all that. Just an old Vet/ farmers thoughts.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:40 am

freetown fred wrote:I'm curious as to what exactly the proper handling of this particular weapon consists of.


Fred no matter what the location when there is weapon present I'm always concerned about how it's being handled.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:53 am

Cradled & pointed down always works for me Richard, not flopping around on your back.He is NOT in a combat situation.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:57 am

Why are more people afraid of the gun you see vs the one you don't. That whole out of sight out of mind mentality is why this country is where it is. We have to be politically correct so we don't scare or surprise someone or hurt their feelings. If some one walks around with an AR strapped across their back I am less inclined to worry about him more than the person wearing a hood with maybe a gun in there pocket in there hand. I prefer Concealed Carry just because I think you lose the element of surprise if you are in a situation, but if more people would open carry more people would see that most guns do not harm anyone. If you walk through a mall or Walmart you would be surprised how many guns you walk past un-harmed.
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PostBy: Rigar On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:00 am

okay maybe this guy did not " break" any laws.. but he certainly did come close to the line.
put yourself in another Citizens position
.. you are un armed... with your little 6 year old grandchild and you see this guy with the rifle in the store.
do you casually say " look Susie.... that guy over there is exercising his second Amendment rights!".. and then turn your back on him and continue on with your shopping list?.?

now on the other hand... if you're fortunate enough to be carrying yourself... You would have one hand on that *censored* the moment you spotted this guy??... I know I would have mine basically drawn.
especially in the wake of things lately.. I think it was done in poor taste.Period.
I totally understand and respect that it is a right... and one I hope we do not lose..
unfortunately.. with actions like his... it is just more fuel on the fire for the people that want to take that right away from us ...
I will not disagree again :D
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PostBy: SteveZee On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:03 am

freetown fred wrote:Cradled & pointed down always works for me Richard, not flopping around on your back.He is NOT in a combat situation.


That's a recipe to have the weapon handled or discharged by someone else (if loaded).
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PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:09 am

:idea:

If you want to live in a society that embraces things like this , we (liberal moonbats) will gladly pay your way to Beirut or Syria or pertty much any where over there. You'll be right at home with those lunatics.

Waldo :roll:
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:10 am

Hence MOST guns do not harm people--they are not what draws negative attention--I keep seeing people post about the fanatical anti-gunners & I gotta kinda chuckle that there is not much mention of the fanatical pro-gun people. hmmmmm??? Maybe because they are more concerned with being RIGHT then getting a fair law passed that will appease the masses--it's exactly where we are with this. Fanaticism on either side of the aisle just hurts the cause here. SZ, it's always the IF that concerns me the most.
Flyer5 wrote:Why are more people afraid of the gun you see vs the one you don't. That whole out of sight out of mind mentality is why this country is where it is. We have to be politically correct so we don't scare or surprise someone or hurt their feelings. If some one walks around with an AR strapped across their back I am less inclined to worry about him more than the person wearing a hood with maybe a gun in there pocket in there hand. I prefer Concealed Carry just because I think you lose the element of surprise if you are in a situation, but if more people would open carry more people would see that most guns do not harm anyone. If you walk through a mall or Walmart you would be surprised how many guns you walk past un-harmed.
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PostBy: Rigar On: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:22 am

regarding the guy in Utah at the JCPenney store... again... what is the point?
think about it
the law says it is legal... as long as
1 the weapon is not loaded
2 and it requires 2 actions to fire it

... so what is it.." show and tell" ?
who is he protecting? .. let's face it.. if *censored* were to hit the fan there... what is he going to do?
... yell " TIME OUT EVERYBODY... I HAVE TO GO GET SOME BULLETS " ??
. and again with all due respect... as far is worrying more about the unseen weapons as opposed to the ones that are visible... it still will boil down to the individual.
people with concealed carry permits are obviously law abiding citizens... and the criminal with the concealed weapon is not.
likewise... it would be impossible to distinguish whether or not a person with a rifle strapped to the back is criminal or not...
just because his weapon is in plain sight does not make him less of a threat.(he could still be a whack job)
again... I stand firmly on our right to keep and bare arms... but I think we should do it with some class and forethought.... as not to jeopardize this freedom anymore.
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