This man has some balls. He is a bad ass.

Flyer5 wrote:Why are more people afraid of the gun you see vs the one you don't. That whole out of sight out of mind mentality is why this country is where it is. We have to be politically correct so we don't scare or surprise someone or hurt their feelings. If some one walks around with an AR strapped across their back I am less inclined to worry about him more than the person wearing a hood with maybe a gun in there pocket in there hand. I prefer Concealed Carry just because I think you lose the element of surprise if you are in a situation, but if more people would open carry more people would see that most guns do not harm anyone. If you walk through a mall or Walmart you would be surprised how many guns you walk past un-harmed.

I certainly understand your point Dave but as we have been seeing more of lately, It only takes one that does harm someone or many someone's to change that perception and lately we've had more than our share.

Let's look at reality. Most people are always going to be more "nervous" in a crowd of people where anyone has the ability to shoot you at anytime than they would be in a crowd of people that they know is unarmed. It may not be realistic but it's human nature. I'm sure it has something to do with self preservation but I could be wrong. I'd favor my chances (a little more) in a room full of fists, feet, teeth, than the OK corral.

The kid in the grocery store also had the weapon slung over his shoulder's like the guy in the video.

It was asked of me if I can blame anyone from being jumpy? My answer is, yes. Yes, I can blame people for being jumpy. Culture of fear. It's been ramrodded down our throats well before the 1994 ban on "assault weapons". Here's why I can blame the culture of fear.

-If you own a gun. You're a criminal.
-If you own a "military style" gun. You're a criminal.
-If you own a magazine, clip or magazineclip. You're a criminal.
-If you watch TV. You are going to kill people.
-If you listen to rap. You're an idiot, part of a gang, automatically have a record, own a gun, and kill people.
-If you listen to rock, heavy metal and you own a gun. You are a murderer, and will kill people.
-If you watch movies. You're going to become a killer with a gun.
-If you play video games. There's no question. You're a mass murdering gun toting sociopath killer.
-If you own an "assault" weapon, rifle, pistol. You're a murderer.
-If you own anything above a musket or a cannon from the Revolutionary War. You're a criminal. A murderer. (Thanks to a Sandy Hook victim parent who said something like this yesterday).
-Any gun that isn't loaded from the barrel is considered a "DEATH MACHINE" and you own one. You're a killer. (Thank you Kathy Lee Gifford for that gem).
-The media only talks about the bad. Not the good that people with guns do. These "talks" that are going on right now only have people who are against owning guns, other than LaPierre and a few select people. All the victims speaking, AGAINST GUNS.
-If you're gun isn't locked, have a leash on it, in a cage surrounded by 24" thick concrete it will grow legs, load itself and proceed to shoot everyone.
-Everyone in NY is now considered a criminal if they don't turn their "high" capacity magazineclips, clips or magazines in and register their "Military style" "assault" weapons of mass destruction death machines that they don't need because they apparently can fire thousands of rounds a second in mere minutes.
-We can't enforce the laws we have now. Let's make new ones we also can't enforce.
-It's not the person who is operating the gun that is the problem. It's the gun, the movies, the TV and the games this person has been subjected to that is the problem. We'll blame inanimate objects for the problem. But not the actual problem.

But it's ok to carry a gun if you "hide" it from the sheep and bitches.

The list goes on. People have been brainwashed to immediately think that anyone with a gun is out to hurt someone. The incident in the Kroger's grocery store just proves that. The kid was arrested, interrogated then released after they deemed he wasn't doing anything illegal other than exercising his rights. Culture of fear. If more people exercised their rights then maybe the culture of fear the media and the government has perpetrated would go away. But, that won't actually happen. Because everyone who exercises their right, owns a gun are automatically going to shoot someone and are criminals.

SteveZee wrote:

Flyer5 wrote:Why are more people afraid of the gun you see vs the one you don't. That whole out of sight out of mind mentality is why this country is where it is. We have to be politically correct so we don't scare or surprise someone or hurt their feelings. If some one walks around with an AR strapped across their back I am less inclined to worry about him more than the person wearing a hood with maybe a gun in there pocket in there hand. I prefer Concealed Carry just because I think you lose the element of surprise if you are in a situation, but if more people would open carry more people would see that most guns do not harm anyone. If you walk through a mall or Walmart you would be surprised how many guns you walk past un-harmed.

I certainly understand your point Dave but as we have been seeing more of lately, It only takes one that does harm someone or many someone's to change that perception and lately we've had more than our share.

Let's look at reality. Most people are always going to be more "nervous" in a crowd of people where anyone has the ability to shoot you at anytime than they would be in a crowd of people that they know is unarmed. It may not be realistic but it's human nature. I'm sure it has something to do with self preservation but I could be wrong. I'd favor my chances (a little more) in a room full of fists, feet, teeth, than the OK corral.

But is everyone truly unarmed? Or are they "hiding" a gun because they have a slip of paper given to them by the state that says they can. It's a false sense of security in a culture of fear. My uncle, a combat vet who served in Vietnam, an ex-cop carries everywhere. He looks unarmed. Acts unarmed. But ALWAYS has more than one gun on him. He goes shopping. To the movies. To work. But it's ok because you can't see the potential threat that makes it ok.

No, I can assure not everyone is truly unarmed. I choose to carry concealed most of the time. There are occasions when I open carry depending upon the weapon. It doesn't bother me if someone chooses to open carry or carry concealed. It's a choice that people make. I have never carried a rifle into a store though and probably never will but, that's me. I don't need or want the attention of doing something like that.

Im on fire..
let's do a little experiment.

call your uncle... Tell him to meet you at the nearest Walmart ( or whatever)
... but tell him instead of carrying more than 1 handgun ... he has to leave them in the car
.. however... have him carry on AR 15 and a Remington 1100 on his person in plain sight
.. tell him to do this for the day... and see what he says
then get back to us.
hopefully with some real insight on what it means to have certain "rights"
... all rights... come with responsibilities.
he absolutely has the right to walk around with a couple rifles and or shotguns in public.
but like I said... ask him if he would.
and by the slim chance that he said he would do it.... have him prove it to you

There were literally thousands of AR and type weapons and pistols carried around the state capitals and town squares in plain sight in the past few weeks. It was probably the safest most of those places have been in years.

Flyer5 wrote:There were literally thousands of AR and type weapons and pistols carried around the state capitals and town squares in plain sight in the past few weeks. It was probably the safest most of those places have been in years.

...example please ?

Dan,....you wonder how many welfares dropped their watermelons !!!!! That is the most thinly veiled rasist remark i've heard in a long time and I for one am deeply offended. I think you owe the whole Forum an apoligy

Rigar wrote:

Flyer5 wrote:There were literally thousands of AR and type weapons and pistols carried around the state capitals and town squares in plain sight in the past few weeks. It was probably the safest most of those places have been in years.

...example please ?

Here is one http://www.examiner.com/article/utah-th ... -amendment

Many more if you look. Also one coming up on FEB 8th

Flyer5 wrote:

Rigar wrote:

Flyer5 wrote:There were literally thousands of AR and type weapons and pistols carried around the state capitals and town squares in plain sight in the past few weeks. It was probably the safest most of those places have been in years.

...example please ?

Here is one http://www.examiner.com/article/utah-th ... -amendment

Many more if you look. Also one coming up on FEB 8th

... you're comparing apples to oranges
. these are rally's and organized events... not the lone gunman trying to show everybody that he knows what his constitutional rights are.
... it's all presentation... presentation... presentation

Rigar wrote:
... you're comparing apples to oranges
. these are rally's and organized events... not the lone gunman trying to show everybody that he knows what his constitutional rights are.
... it's all presentation... presentation... presentation

Just giving you an example . I understand it is a rally and different. But should it be?
Here is another. http://www.yourwestvalley.com/collectio ... f887a.html

Flyer5 wrote:

Rigar wrote:
... you're comparing apples to oranges
. these are rally's and organized events... not the lone gunman trying to show everybody that he knows what his constitutional rights are.
... it's all presentation... presentation... presentation

Just giving you an example . I understand it is a rally and different. But should it be?
Here is another. http://www.yourwestvalley.com/collectio ... f887a.html

the message may be the same...but the writng is neater...idk

...ck ur pm

okay this will be my last post on this issue

. as gun owners and advocates.... we do not need to appeal to each other.
we need to appeal to those that do not understand what is at risk.
I have simply stated I do not believe that what a handful of people are doing is a strategic or effective way to make a point... To most.

... don't forget... what the 2nd amendment provides... and it's reason for being written.
it is not to protect us from Walmart shoppers
... Or people that visit JC Penneys... or the guy behind you in the restaurant.

... it is to allow us to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government... not so much our neighbors.

I didn't create this thread so we could fight amongst ourselves. I mean, sheesh there's enough of that already here in the political board.

I'll concede that perhaps, what he did was a bit brandish and doesn't necessarily aid in our cause. I'll also agree that perhaps it would've been more appropriate had it been in a setting that warranted it. Like going to a gun rally, or gun store. But I will also say this. It wasn't the point. If he had gone to the gun store or to a rally where it's expected of everyone to be carrying around a gun it wouldn't of had the impact it did. Yes, it was stupid. Yes, it was dangerous. But it did take balls and it is kind of badass to do it. I will also say that if more people do this I think the stigma of gun owners being trigger happy murderous pschycopaths might wear off. If it became more common them maybe people wouldn't be so afraid of guns.

At any rate. I'm gonna kind of just drop this thread. You can all continue discussing it, or Mr. Mayor may lock it. Either way....I'm ok.

I hope it never becomes common place myself. This isn't the wild west, we've progressed somewhat from all that. You really think people/ mothers with small children will become more at ease if everybody walks around with an exposed weapon? I don't believe that nonsense for a minute. It is about nothing more then the me, me, me's. I have enough respect for that mother & child and the population as a whole that I'm quite content with my concealed permit---I also will carry open on occasion around here because people know me and very few households are weapon free or anti-gun. IOF, what did you think peoples response to this thread would be? Hopefully not that all of us, even we hard core pro-gunners would think it was KOOL----it's not.