Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

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Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:46 am

I could not resist making this thread after hearing rwalker give a like minded opinion as mine regarding this absurdity.

Police Officers are charged with a responsibility unlike anyone and has direct implication of building the very fabric of our society depending on how they handle themselves and what things "make it" or "dont make it" to the real brains of the operation (Judges and prosecutors), and that's not even touching on the responsibilities of being the enforcement authority regarding weapons.

To think that passing a 1 hour GED test at age 18 and taking a lil' adventurer "mini camp" is all that required is baffling to me and I would seriously like to know why this is acceptable to us?
I understand that most police officers currently are veterans with alot more training about the respect of firearms and year of experience carrying them as part of their daily lives, but what about those few who dont have this experience and the only experience they have is that uncle Freddie was a cop?

To become a Park Ranger charged with taking care of the tree's requires a 4 year degree, to be a customs officer charged with overseeing who gets on an airplane requires a 4 year degree, to be any kind of fed. requires a 4 year degree YET... to become a Cop charged with handling the enforcement of our entire society only requires an 8th grade drop out who got lucky on a 1 hour exam :cry:

am i missing something here folks? please tell me i am???
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:01 am

You need to research the requirements for a GED. It's a 5 hour exam, given entirely on one day. Because of that it's extremely unlikely that someone who hasn't taken a series of prep classes or worked their butt off is going to pass. In fact, GED candidates often find it much easier to complete an adult education high school diploma then undertake the preparation required for the successful completion of a GED. GEDs are not just given out to someone "who got lucky on a one hour exam." They are hard to earn; that's why they are equivalent to a high school diplomia.

I know this from the experiences of my immediate family and the home schooling community. My niece recently had an ah-ha moment and decided she needed proof she had met the basic educational requirements of a high school graduate. The fastest path to achieving that was the adult High School in her county, not the GED. The adult high school was less expensive by far, too. As a home schooling parent (3 kids, K-12) we looked into the GED for my son who swore he wasn’t going to go to college. After looking at what was entailed with the GED, he quickly changed his mind and enrolled at the Community College instead.

That being said, I too am worried about an 18 year old of any educational background becoming a police officer. In my opinion, that individual would not have the necessary life experience necessary to correctly interpret a situation unfolding badly. That comes not from classroom learning but from life, applying principles and values developed over time – years. I don’t see that maturity in the 18 year olds of today. We as a society don’t asked our youth to accept adult responsibility until their mid-twenties at best and I for one feel we have done them a great disservice. Lisa
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:58 am

I know several people who have earned their GED behind bars with IQs in the below average range. It isn't that hard...just like high school wasn't that hard.

Taking ACT 180 in PA is all town, college, State Park police officers need to get the job. Personally I do not think that is enough, but I dont make the rules.

The State Police actually require college credits now, and might even require a degree. I havent looked into it in a few years. They also require an intensive 6 month academy where students often go weeks without being allowed to leave based on the behavior of 1 student. My brother-in-law had to stay for 5 straight weeks because one of the cadets could not swim and it took them that long to make him a good enough swimmer for the instructors to allow them weekend passes again. The Feds are even more intensive.

Now I am not saying college makes all the difference, there are plenty of successful people out there that never walked through the doors of a college, but college does allow one to grow up. Much the same as the military, without the chance of having to go overseas and get shot at unless you are into that sort of thing. But lets face it, a lot of military guys have some serious screws loose and would not make good cops either. I will admit that I was a bit of hell raiser in my youth. I have the scars to prove it. I was not ready for ANY kind of responsibility. I went to college, wasted 2 years of my parents money, then quit, and tried to make it on my own because I was a man. After 2 years of working at a lumber yard, I grew up FAST and realized that slinging wood in a pole barn when it is -10 outside for $8.00 an hour was not how I wanted to live. So, I enrolled at another school, got my own loans, and ended up graduating with a 3.65 GPA. I grew up.

Beyond that, it takes a special kind of person to work effectively as a cop, in corrections, and in the military. Instead of paper tests that people can memorize then forget, they need to take potential canidates and throw them into live situations. Simulated live situations, of course. See how they react. Some have it, some dont. The psychologists can sit behind the glass and figure that out. I have seen it played out many times. We have 1 CO and a Sgt. on each housing unit. Many times I have seen a fight erupt or staff member get hit, and the rookie CO freezes like a deer in the headlights. I have also seen rookie COs charge in and knock heads. All about personality. I am lucky enough in my position I get to use my brain and not my brawn. I get to dive into what makes them tick...

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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:52 am

Good Enough Diploma or the real thing, you don’t have to be all that bright to get either. My Dad made it through sixth grade and knew as much as many of my high school class mates, maybe more.

I like Rwalker’s post. If you ever interact with cops in Pennsylvania it doesn’t take long to see that the State Police are much better trained than the local police.

Rigorous psychological testing is the first thing all police candidates should have to undergo. They should then be well educated in the laws they are to enforce as well as how to deal with people.

I really believe that some cops would be criminals today had they not been a cop and some cops are just criminals with a badge. They system could definitely be improved but there will always be bad apples too.

Here is a clip of what it takes to become a Philadelphia police officer.
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:08 am

Rigorous psychological testing is the first thing all police candidates should have to undergo. They should then be well educated in the laws they are to enforce as well as how to deal with people.


Bingo. Dealing with people is the #1 hardest thing. I can tell you straight up that I would be a terrible cop. Once you engaged me in a physical altercation, I wouldn't wrestle you to the ground and restrain you. I would wrestle you to the ground and stomp on your head about 15 times for being an idiot and trying to fight a cop. Then, I would probably take ot my club and hit you another 10 times. Good cops have incredible restraint, they will not use a weapon unless it is the absolute last resort. I would clonk you over the head, give you a good ole' "wood shampoo" at the first sign of trouble. This would make me a bad cop. Tazer? Forget it, you refuse to comply I am tazing the *censored* out of you! I guess that is why I never pursued that avenue and instead work on the treatment side of things.

Education in the laws they enforce is a biggee too. Act 180 is a decent class I guess, but it doesnt compare to 6 intensive months. Even our Game Commission and Waterways Conservation Officers go for several months to a year before they are on their own.
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:10 am

just the fact a real police dept. and real cops would even allow that bonehead to continue filming scares me LOL.
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:18 am

Rwalker wrote:
Rigorous psychological testing is the first thing all police candidates should have to undergo. They should then be well educated in the laws they are to enforce as well as how to deal with people.


Bingo. Dealing with people is the #1 hardest thing. I can tell you straight up that I would be a terrible cop. Once you engaged me in a physical altercation, I wouldn't wrestle you to the ground and restrain you. I would wrestle you to the ground and stomp on your head about 15 times for being an idiot and trying to fight a cop. Then, I would probably take ot my club and hit you another 10 times. Good cops have incredible restraint, they will not use a weapon unless it is the absolute last resort. I would clonk you over the head, give you a good ole' "wood shampoo" at the first sign of trouble. This would make me a bad cop. Tazer? Forget it, you refuse to comply I am tazing the *censored* out of you! I guess that is why I never pursued that avenue and instead work on the treatment side of things.

Education in the laws they enforce is a biggee too. Act 180 is a decent class I guess, but it doesnt compare to 6 intensive months. Even our Game Commission and Waterways Conservation Officers go for several months to a year before they are on their own.


this is what im talking about... how do people and jobs which are clearly not as critical require far more rigorous training (i agree state police at least have some min. criteria and training that goes WAY beyond local police and i think that same training and criteria should apply to ALL police officers).
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:35 am

....I think the requirements for becoming a police officer are a result of our own stupidity because they are civil servants hired by us to protect us. I have an uncle that is a vietnam vet and retired police sargent, a dynamite person and great father! What other job requires you to leave your home and possibly not come home. Every day this happens world wide, yes even in a civilized world. I am merely a chef that cooks food, a cabinet maker that wood products, my job is too satisfy people such as most jobs. What other job discription is to control people. The best cops are never heard from in a crime free society! Come on Doug what is your beef, get pulled over? :P
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:05 am

My hats off to cops in MA - not only do you have to deal with an idiotic populace, but an idiotic government as well. How they deal with all that and still smile at the end of the day, I'll never know.

I also know that not alot of them have anything to smile about. Get yanked in a small MA town & you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:33 am

I don't know what your town or state's police training requirements are but Maryland's are listed below. It's not a cheap program but a program designed to provide great officers. In 50 years living in Maryland I've never meet a unprofessional one. Both on the job and personally. The saying you get what you pay for applies.

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Maryland State Police Academy Training

While at the Academy you will be expected to maintain a high level of military discipline. Ethics, teamwork and accountability are the hallmarks of this intensive program.

You will take college-level academic classes (for which you will receive 45 college credits). You will learn how to operate a vehicle under the most stressful emergency conditions. You will spend two weeks with the Firearms Training Unit mastering both the Glock Model 22 .40 caliber handgun and a patrol shotgun. You will learn defensive tactics (including boxing and martial arts) and officer survival. You will run every day. You will become certified to administer the Standardized Field Sobriety Test to detect drivers who are impaired by alcohol and/or drugs. You will have an in-depth knowledge of the Criminal and Motor Vehicle Laws of Maryland. You will become a Maryland State Certified First Responder so you can aid the sick and injured. You will learn how to complete reports using a personal computer. You will push your body physically and mentally to limits that you did not believe that you could endure. When you graduate you will be among the most highly trained law enforcement officers in the country. And you will be in the best shape of your life.

After graduation from the Academy, you will report to one of the 22 State Police Barracks. Your authority will be statewide and ranges far beyond that of local and county police officers. For eight weeks, you will be supervised by an experienced Field Training Trooper (FTT). During this period, you will be afforded the opportunity to apply your Academy education and training to actual police situations. Following satisfactory completion of field training, you will begin independent patrol activities. If you are a successful applicant, you will attend the Maryland State Police Training Academy in Sykesville, Maryland.

You will live at the Academy Monday through Friday for 26 weeks. You will be required to stand military-style inspection every day. An accumulation of demerits may lead to disciplinary weekends at the Academy. It will not matter whether you were in the military, went to college or had a job prior to entering the Academy. The Academy will be one of the toughest times you will ever endure.

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From: https://www.mdsp.org/Careers/StateTrooper/Training.aspx

All Maryland police officers receive Academy training regardless of their town or county. I'm not sure they get the same training as the state police but it still isn't easy. Note the location of the training Academy, my home town, Sykesville, MD. No problem getting police response here!
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:43 am

We've got some pretty heavy cops out and about in MA - I seriously doubt any of them could pass that test Yanche! :lol:

MA is hit or miss. I've come across cops that just do their jobs & are polite and professional. I've also come across ones 180° the polar-opposite of that. I had one cop in Worcester STALK me on my route because of a perceived infraction I committed the week prior. He gave me a ticket for that, then continued to harass me while I tried to do my job. He was one of those people who got off on his perceived power over others. I didn't fight back - that's what they want you to do - I just took a pacifist route, and watched his reaction - he liked that. Definitely a disturbed individual. Long story short I had to go through some very high level people before he backed off. He's not the first I've seen with that mentality either. If your ever in this state, just pray you don't get one like that - they'll make your life miserable ..... because they can. Exactly the type of person that should NEVER have been in law enforcement.
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Re: Requirments to become a Police Officer (education level)

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:54 am

As far as I know in order to become a police officer the minimum requirement are only part of it. Most agencies require you to be 21. While yes, they will hire you right out of highschool at age 18 you are a trainee until 21. They also like when a recruit has a bachelors degree in criminal justice on top of the 5 hour exam and the academy; a bachelors degree is not a requirement but it helps. And if you think the academy is easy you are mistaken.
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