Reports: Ex-SEAL Kyle fatally shot on gun range

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PostBy: SteveZee On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:00 pm

I guess that all three of them came together and that Kyle and his nieghbor had taken the shooter with them and were helping the guy with PTSD. Shame really since he was trying to help another vet. I just wonder why they would take the guy with PTSD (assuming combat fatigue) to a shooting range for therepy? But what do I know. Something set the guy off. Just a tragedy.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:29 pm

Used to be combat fatigue, now it covers everything from Daddy yellin at you to having memories of Mom's boobs while breast feeding. To answer your question though--that's what Brothers in Arms do.
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Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL Kyle fatally shot on gun range

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:38 pm

freetown fred wrote:Used to be combat fatigue, now it covers everything from Daddy yellin at you to having memories of Mom's boobs while breast feeding. To answer your question though--that's what Brothers in Arms do.


I hear ya Fred and understand that as a desensitization deal maybe but I think I'd of taken the guy somewhere else. Hindsights a wonderful thing though.
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PostBy: KLook On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:45 pm

People with PTSD are freaked out in crowds or busy areas when loud noises occur. Going to a range with some fellow Marines should have been right up his alley. It is not the sound but the unknown all around. Many cannot drive without looking for IED's. Very tragic, kudos to the men for trying to help him. Unfortunately, the media will focus on the "gun range" aspect of it.


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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:49 pm

KLook wrote:People with PTSD are freaked out in crowds or busy areas when loud noises occur. Going to a range with some fellow Marines should have been right up his alley. It is not the sound but the unknown all around. Many cannot drive without looking for IED's. Very tragic, kudos to the men for trying to help him. Unfortunately, the media will focus on the "gun range" aspect of it.


Kevin




KInda exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't jump to executing the marine without knowing his issues that led up to this.
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Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL Kyle fatally shot on gun range

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Richard S. wrote:Don't get me wrong here, the guy has done a wonderful service to this country and he should be proud of what he's done. My point is advertising what you have done is putting a target on yourself. There is a lot of people in this world that want you dead.

OK, I'm going to be my typical *censored* cynical self, and say the guy did a service to his fellow soldiers, yes, but proud of himself? So proud he came home and wrote a book about how great it was to go to another country and kill 150 of its citizens, in a war that should never have been? That's like shooting deer and mounting the heads on your den wall. Except it's more insensitive than that, because these were people he killed, defending (so they thought) their homeland and their way of life. AND THEN he parlayed his book and his glorious accomplishments into a company that charges $3,000 PER PERSON for a weekend "Rough Creek Shoot Out" as if killing one another is a big fun game. It sounds like, for him, it WAS a big fun game right up until the last hand was dealt. As Rigar said, ironic. Sorry. He may have been a great guy, but his greatness ain't shining through in this news article.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:23 pm

Good Lord rberq, once again you leave me speechless with your lack of intuitive wisdom in that post. :(
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PostBy: rberq On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:08 pm

freetown fred wrote:Good Lord rberq, once again you leave me speechless with your lack of intuitive wisdom in that post. :(

Intuitive wisdom is overrated. My dog has intuitive wisdom.
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PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:21 pm

rberq wrote:
Richard S. wrote:Don't get me wrong here, the guy has done a wonderful service to this country and he should be proud of what he's done. My point is advertising what you have done is putting a target on yourself. There is a lot of people in this world that want you dead.

OK, I'm going to be my typical *censored* cynical self, and say the guy did a service to his fellow soldiers, yes, but proud of himself? So proud he came home and wrote a book about how great it was to go to another country and kill 150 of its citizens, in a war that should never have been? That's like shooting deer and mounting the heads on your den wall. Except it's more insensitive than that, because these were people he killed, defending (so they thought) their homeland and their way of life. AND THEN he parlayed his book and his glorious accomplishments into a company that charges $3,000 PER PERSON for a weekend "Rough Creek Shoot Out" as if killing one another is a big fun game. It sounds like, for him, it WAS a big fun game right up until the last hand was dealt. As Rigar said, ironic. Sorry. He may have been a great guy, but his greatness ain't shining through in this news article.


*censored* would be correct. He killed the enemy. I read the book and did not come anywhere to the conclusion you did.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:22 pm

Outstanding. My dogs have that PLUS common sense ;)
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PostBy: Rigar On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:12 pm

This is exactly the *censored* that will have ppl like eric holder lickin his chops...
Oddly the libs are pushing to put vets (with PDSD) on the list to permanently bar them from owning guns.....hmmmm
pretty strange timing....(or is it)

...i think theres actually another post about this legislation on here somewhere(obamas ploy to ban vets....?)
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PostBy: samhill On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:16 pm

I never try to criticise anyone for the way they choose to handle stress, I would think there are as many ways as there are differences in personalities, we each hopefully find what works for us but as a vet I always found it's much easier to talk to another vet if anyone at all but that's me. I had a good friend that was involved in the Mai Lia Massacre & I never knew he even served until his picture was on the front cover of either Look or Life Magazine, they did a feature story & it almost got him fired from U.S.Steel. We did a lot of long hard talking for months after that but looking back I think we helped each other as well as I helped him get over what he thought was long gone, to each their own. May they rest in peace.
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Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL Kyle fatally shot on gun range

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:08 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:I read the book and did not come anywhere to the conclusion you did.

Of course not. If I wrote a book about myself, I would make it say what I wanted it to say, just like he did. Or didn’t – because who actually wrote it? “Chris Kyle (Author), Scott McEwen (Author and “super-patriot”), and Jim DeFelice (Author known for his fiction)”.

freetown fred wrote:Outstanding. My dogs have that PLUS common sense

Touche, Fred. I know what you’re saying, but I suspended my common sense / intuitive wisdom this time in favor of my cynicism, or realism. We tough guys make our heros – our Army Rangers, our Green Berets, our Navy Seals – then we oooohhh and aaaahhh over them like a bunch of middle-aged women watching Dr. Oz on the Oprah show. Yes it is sad that the guy was shot, but come on, he was no god, just another soldier lucky enough to come home and clever and cynical enough to profit from his experiences with books and shoot-em-up outings for people with $3,000 to burn. He based his career on killing people with guns, in the service and after the service, and he was killed with a gun.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:35 pm

I respect your thoughts on this, but, PLEASE don't say -- he who lives by the sword :blah: I never ooooh'd & aaaah'd about much, but damn Bob--his careerr at the time was being a combat soldier, in case you've missed it, war is when people get shot, blown up, what-ever. He also made no-one buy his book nor go to any of his training sessions. He is just a Patriot, plain & simple & I respect him for that. That's my reality in this instance. My heart goes out to his wife & kids & his partner that also got shot & killed. :(
Touche, Fred. I know what you’re saying, but I suspended my common sense / intuitive wisdom this time in favor of my cynicism, or realism. We tough guys make our heros – our Army Rangers, our Green Berets, our Navy Seals – then we oooohhh and aaaahhh over them like a bunch of middle-aged women watching Dr. Oz on the Oprah show. Yes it is sad that the guy was shot, but come on, he was no god, just another soldier lucky enough to come home and clever and cynical enough to profit from his experiences with books and shoot-em-up outings for people with $3,000 to burn. He based his career on killing people with guns, in the service and after the service, and he was killed with a gun.[/quote]
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PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:57 pm

rberq wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:I read the book and did not come anywhere to the conclusion you did.

Of course not. If I wrote a book about myself, I would make it say what I wanted it to say, just like he did. Or didn’t – because who actually wrote it? “Chris Kyle (Author), Scott McEwen (Author and “super-patriot”), and Jim DeFelice (Author known for his fiction)”.

freetown fred wrote:Outstanding. My dogs have that PLUS common sense

Touche, Fred. I know what you’re saying, but I suspended my common sense / intuitive wisdom this time in favor of my cynicism, or realism. We tough guys make our heros – our Army Rangers, our Green Berets, our Navy Seals – then we oooohhh and aaaahhh over them like a bunch of middle-aged women watching Dr. Oz on the Oprah show. Yes it is sad that the guy was shot, but come on, he was no god, just another soldier lucky enough to come home and clever and cynical enough to profit from his experiences with books and shoot-em-up outings for people with $3,000 to burn. He based his career on killing people with guns, in the service and after the service, and he was killed with a gun.


I didn't notice anyone saying he was a god and didn't notice anyone saying he was their hero. He knew he was lucky to come home and tried to help fellow veterans. Who did he kill after the service? Are you trying to say he got what he deserved? Are you saying snipers are bad people?
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