Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

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Is CO2 a leading indicator of Global Warming, or a trailing indicator?

Leading indicator
5
28%
Trailing indicator
5
28%
No way to tell
8
44%
 
Total votes : 18

Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:06 pm

Assuming for the moment that global warming is real, is rising CO2 a leading indicator or a trailing indicator of global warming? If it is a leading indicator, then it is likely to be the cause. But if it is a trailing indicator, then it can't be the cause, and must rather be merely an effect of some other cause.

It's a game of cause and effect: What came first, the rising CO2, or the rising temperature?

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming ... ore-graph/
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: Rigar On: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Historically.... Like over the last 5 billion years???
...or just the last 100 ????
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:08 pm

Or did a bunch of line backers exhale at the same time...... many more things to worry about
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:05 pm

Rigar wrote:Historically.... Like over the last 5 billion years???
...or just the last 100 ????

That pretty much says it all.
Over the last 100 years, it's pretty obvious the CO is driving the temperature.
Over the last billion or two years, it's extremely hard to tell which was which, notwithstanding the claims in your link -- and irrelevant to the present circumstances.
But I'm sure us coal burners can resolve it in short order with a poll. :P
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:37 pm

Temperature rise I believe will result in more water vapor in the air which is far more of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

Increased water vapor is needed to supply the snow necessary for an ice age, and which we might be in the preliminary stages.

Air pollution also is responsible for screening heat from the Sun.
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:34 am

Rigar wrote:Historically.... Like over the last 5 billion years???
...or just the last 100 ????


Or the last 30 years the politicians have latched onto it?

I went with there is no honest way to really tell. The planet has been going through these cycles since it was created billions/trillions/some other number I can't image years ago. It's just now we as humans look for meaning in things and are paranoid that we're destroying something that was here before us and will still be here after us. Like I've said in the past, it's not about saving the earth but more about saving our miserable existence on it. When the Earth is ready, it'll shake us off and reconfigure itself and there isn't anything any of us can do to stop it regardless of what the pudding head politicians have to tell us.
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:48 pm

I agree with Franco - there's much more moisture in the air today due to industry. Water vapor comes out your tailpipe, and every smokestack, and every steam powerplant in the country. We're putting much more moisture in the air than could naturally get there by evaporation.

But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:01 pm

SMITTY wrote:But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....


Sure they can. All they'd need to do is shoehorn the word: "ASSAULT" in front of Water Vapor and make it, "Assault Water Vapor" then all they'd need to do to make it even scarier is tell the sheeple that, 'You can drown just by breathing in all that extra water vapor from the Assault Water Vapor that is being released into the atmosphere.' They'll then put in place grants so people can get Airpaks so they can be safe.
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:24 pm

SMITTY wrote:I agree with Franco - there's much more moisture in the air today due to industry. Water vapor comes out your tailpipe, and every smokestack, and every steam powerplant in the country. We're putting much more moisture in the air than could naturally get there by evaporation.

But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....



Its hard to say if we are putting more moisture in the air than could occur naturally. There is an awful lot of ocean surface area, and the moisture we expel hasn't been able to brew up its own hurricanes :lol: ......... YET :o

I'm thinking franco b meant natural water evaporation :D
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:33 am

SMITTY wrote:But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....



Yes they can, just call it a scary sounding name like dihydrogen monoxide vapor. http://dhmo.org/
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: DieselBob On: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:10 pm

And don't forget that this will mean they need to levy a new tax/fee to help combat the dihydrogen monoxide vapor. :mad:
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: Rigar On: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:46 pm

carlherrnstein wrote:
SMITTY wrote:But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....



Yes they can, just call it a scary sounding name like dihydrogen monoxide vapor. http://dhmo.org/



...WOW...
Thats taking me back to chemistry class...!
Hydrogen hydroxide is WATER...when reacting as a base...(ph.over 7)
Hydroxic acid is WATER reacting as an acid (ph under 7)
....guess it depends on what your adding to it...

....but i suppose they could make water sound scary! :D

i found a survivalist web site that sold dehydrated water........ :?:
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Where is the choice for Al Gore?
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:03 pm

There are a large number of genuinely mentally ill, paranoid, delusional nut-jobs involved in the alternative media and who are capable of making up anything and then believing the most outrageous garbage. On any given day there are thousands of Gore-type nutters making mutually contradictory claims with exactly the same level of evangelical fervor. The alternative media was probably subjected to infiltration from the get-go. The alt news is both a threat and an opportunity for the elites. They can create more support for their memes (in this case 'we're all gonna phkn die' global warming hysteria), they can apply misdirection by making stuff up and steering people on wild goose chases or they can simply get someone to talk utter crap and try discredit the entire movement.

Always follow the money and Gores $100mm and climbing - there are many people in the alt. media making a shitload of money off panic. Whether its economic collapse, social collapse, or mass die outs of any kind, you'll find the sites that publish this crap selling water filtration straws, survival kids, silver bullion, zero point energy generators, investment guides and what have you to the poor dupes who have been stirred into a panic by the latest prophecy of impending doom. Do you honestly think that if these people seriously believed the world was about to go to *censored* they'd be sitting behind their computers accumulating fiat currency? No, they'd be roughing it in the wilds of Alaska or Siberia and learning how to cook bird *censored* stew. I would give them all a pick and a miners lamp and send them down a Mammoth vein somewhere to do something useful.

OK, I'm a little cranky this morning - sorry.
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Re: Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Rigar wrote:i found a survivalist web site that sold dehydrated water........ :?:

Now THERE's a business to go into! :lol:
I'll boil a pan dry, scrape off the mineral deposits, and mail them to you.
For a slight extra fee, I'll boil dry a pan of distilled water and send you what's left. That can be delivered over the Internet...
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