Poll: What came first, the CO2 rise, or the the temp rise?

Assuming for the moment that global warming is real, is rising CO2 a leading indicator or a trailing indicator of global warming? If it is a leading indicator, then it is likely to be the cause. But if it is a trailing indicator, then it can't be the cause, and must rather be merely an effect of some other cause.

It's a game of cause and effect: What came first, the rising CO2, or the rising temperature?

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming ... ore-graph/

Historically.... Like over the last 5 billion years???
...or just the last 100 ????

Or did a bunch of line backers exhale at the same time...... many more things to worry about

Temperature rise I believe will result in more water vapor in the air which is far more of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

Increased water vapor is needed to supply the snow necessary for an ice age, and which we might be in the preliminary stages.

Air pollution also is responsible for screening heat from the Sun.

I agree with Franco - there's much more moisture in the air today due to industry. Water vapor comes out your tailpipe, and every smokestack, and every steam powerplant in the country. We're putting much more moisture in the air than could naturally get there by evaporation.

But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....

SMITTY wrote:But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....

Yes they can, just call it a scary sounding name like dihydrogen monoxide vapor. http://dhmo.org/

And don't forget that this will mean they need to levy a new tax/fee to help combat the dihydrogen monoxide vapor.

carlherrnstein wrote:

SMITTY wrote:But the government and the left can't make water vapor scary ....

Yes they can, just call it a scary sounding name like dihydrogen monoxide vapor. http://dhmo.org/

...WOW...
Thats taking me back to chemistry class...!
Hydrogen hydroxide is WATER...when reacting as a base...(ph.over 7)
Hydroxic acid is WATER reacting as an acid (ph under 7)
....guess it depends on what your adding to it...

....but i suppose they could make water sound scary!

i found a survivalist web site that sold dehydrated water........

Where is the choice for Al Gore?

There are a large number of genuinely mentally ill, paranoid, delusional nut-jobs involved in the alternative media and who are capable of making up anything and then believing the most outrageous garbage. On any given day there are thousands of Gore-type nutters making mutually contradictory claims with exactly the same level of evangelical fervor. The alternative media was probably subjected to infiltration from the get-go. The alt news is both a threat and an opportunity for the elites. They can create more support for their memes (in this case 'we're all gonna phkn die' global warming hysteria), they can apply misdirection by making stuff up and steering people on wild goose chases or they can simply get someone to talk utter crap and try discredit the entire movement.

Always follow the money and Gores $100mm and climbing - there are many people in the alt. media making a shitload of money off panic. Whether its economic collapse, social collapse, or mass die outs of any kind, you'll find the sites that publish this crap selling water filtration straws, survival kids, silver bullion, zero point energy generators, investment guides and what have you to the poor dupes who have been stirred into a panic by the latest prophecy of impending doom. Do you honestly think that if these people seriously believed the world was about to go to *censored* they'd be sitting behind their computers accumulating fiat currency? No, they'd be roughing it in the wilds of Alaska or Siberia and learning how to cook bird *censored* stew. I would give them all a pick and a miners lamp and send them down a Mammoth vein somewhere to do something useful.

OK, I'm a little cranky this morning - sorry.